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Writer, game designer, engineer, bisexual tranthing, FFXIV addict

OC: Anna Verde - Primal/Excalibur, Empyreum W12 P14

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nex3
@nex3

I cannot parse the second word in "for you page" as anything other than a mangled possessive and that's why I don't use tiktok


lifning
@lifning

much rather go to cohost, where you're always greeted with an implicit "for you, page:" and then a list of posts from other pages you've asked to see


nex3
@nex3

It curdles my brain to think that the experience of social media for the vast majority of people, which is to say the experience of the internet for the vast majority of people who use it regularly, involves just having whatever nonsense they didn't ask to see thrown at their faces based on some statistical model of impression metrics and whatever personal data can be crammed into it.

I just have zero interest whatsoever in seeing any stream of so-called "content" that's not curated by people I know, or at least whose taste I trust. If you're looking for art specifically and you're starting from absolute zero context I guess I can understand the value of a tool to help seed your follows list, but beyond that trusting a machine to do curatorial work—a task that intrinsically demands taste and discernment—seems to be perverse beyond measure.

I was young and naïve when I first heard about Netflix's vaunted recommendation algorithm, and I'll admit to starry-eyed imaginings of the films it could discover for me. But it became clear the moment I actually began to scroll sideways through the "movies you might like" that it hadn't the foggiest idea of my tastes. No matter how much data I poured down its hungry gullet, it never machine-learned even a loose approximation of what I enjoyed. A simple list of films I hadn't seen directed by the same people as films I had would have been dozens of times more useful to me.

Do people not realize this? Do people not have friends of good taste who share their curations online? Have we forgotten how to collate art direct from the artists themselves, that we must be beholden to the torrent of horseshit that is "for you page"?


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in reply to @nex3's post:

people you know and trust are only gonna post so many times in a day. it doesn't take very long to read everything they posted, and then log off and go do something else with your day

the "for you" page is mediocre slop, but it'll keep refilling the slop bucket endlessly from an entire world's worth of posts. unless your interests are extremely niche, it'll functionally never run out of new stuff to show you. you can just keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling, for hours and hours

and that's why most social media platforms heavily incentivize the algorithmic stuff, using every design trick and dark pattern they can think of to keep users diving back into that cesspool. it keeps you in their app, seeing their ads and/or contributing to their metrics

The only time I have ever heard of "for you" being good is that my wife somehow tricked twitter into making hers exclusively gay arknights fanart. That's it, that's the only time I've ever heard someone not actively complaining about them

One time I made a tweet complaining about the algorithm that specifically called out webcomics as something I never see anymore, and the app actually showed me people's webcomics for a day because people engaged with that tweet to give me advice, and then it stopped again because I was passively reading the comics instead of engaging with them. :/

I had much the same experience with Spotify's Discover Weekly playlist, which was supposedly based on what you liked / listened to. Every week, it would suggest 20 (iirc) songs, and every time, it would be a bunch of stuff I didn't like at all. Every so often there would be a song in there that I actually liked, which of course got me to keep listening to an hour of crap I didn't like every week until I finally quit Spotify.

Interesting, my experience has been the opposite: I've discovered lots of stuff I've liked from Discover Weekly, and for several of them have ended up buying one or more albums (on Bandcamp). It does tend to weight my recent listening higher a lot though: last week for a lark I listened to all of Taylor Swift's albums on Spotify and now this week's Discovery Weekly is filled with women singer-songwriters (which is fine by me).

I'll have to try out the suggestion of Bandcamp recommendations though -- I've never thought about using that.