ann-arcana

Queen of Burgers 🍔

Writer, game designer, engineer, bisexual tranthing, FFXIV addict

OC: Anna Verde - Primal/Excalibur, Empyreum W12 P14

Mare: E6M76HDMVU
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felicia
@felicia

What I'm trying to say is, since Twitter is dying and people seem to be migrating more to Tumblr and Masto than here, it's starting to feel like Cohost will not come on top of the social media succession wars.

But this is still my favorite one, and so I will stay here. This site is safe and uncompromising, and my close friends are here. Despite popularity and all, this may become my true "main".

tldr I wuv eggbug


vogon
@vogon

we had started the closed beta before elon even tendered an offer for twitter; a lot of the things we could do to "win" are things we consider morally unacceptable; and even if another platform wins for now, we think there's a pretty decent chance that their users are going to realize that they left in haste for somewhere that still suffers from the same fundamental problems (save for the one where it got acquired)

our goals are:

a) build a place people like spending time on -- one that feels more social than patreon and easier to make a living off of creative works on than twitter;
b) hopefully have enough revenue that we can afford to pay the bills


vogon
@vogon

one of the things that really stuck out to me as funny in the peri-crisis period where people started talking about Twitter Alternatives is how many people said some variation of "forget about mastodon and cohost, what I want is just twitter again but owned by people who aren't awful"

a) I'm gonna be real with you, if you want twitter again but owned by people who aren't awful, what you want is proooooooooobably mastodon, or maybe like... plurk or something
b) even before elon y'all were calling twitter The Hellsite enough and in a despairing enough tone that I don't believe you actually want that


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in reply to @felicia's post:

While Mastodon does seem to be the default Twitter replacement, somehow I just don't really "get" it, and I don't quite know why. Between the oddities of federation and the kinda spammy public timeline I just don't feel comfortable.

Meanwhile, Cohost feels like if old school Twitter took a different path and that makes me happy.

Yeah I'm in the same boat. Every time I'm on Mastodon it just seems.. weird. The server thing is cool I think from a tech stand point but it's hard to fully like.. understand? I know for me when picking a server it felt like "oh god, I don't want to pick the wrong one". Especially since a lot have a theme or something to them, where with Social Media I just sort of want to post whatever comes into my mind rather than like, needing to stay within certain parameters. Feels almost like joining a subreddit, and then that's just where you can post or people can follow you directly

mastodon is somewhat of a niche thing, i feel like. i enjoy the tech and the instance i'm in but the fediverse isn't really built to be a mainstream social media; even though they've been attempting to make it more accessible during this twitter purge, it's not a twitter replacement because it's conceptually different from twitter. and if you don't care about FOSS, there's even less appeal to join, so there's that...

to me, cohost is like golden age tumblr, before the porn ban. even better than tumblr, actually. i really like this place :eggbug:

in reply to @vogon's post:

re: the "more social than patreon and easier to make a living off of creative works on than twitter" part: i currently subscribe to umpteen different people on patreon, mostly writers (where i'm paying for a product -- early access to chapters of serials, mostly) and also a few youtubers (people who make tutorials for hobbies of mine + who i want to support but am not really paying for a product). is an eventual goal of cohost that instead of going to patreon for those things I could (if the creators were here) do that all on cohost? paywalled content etc etc?

i understand if some/all of this can't be talked about yet but as someone whose single biggest monthly entertainment budget item is probably patreon subs, looking forward to see what y'all do in that realm

yep! that's one of the big things we want to ship, we've just been too busy doing shorter-term bugfixing and usability improvements after twitter blew up to make much progress on that yet

I like cohost as an addition to my social media arsenal. A way to connect with people I care about, and new people who I could potentially like. I don't need it to be Twitter, I already have Twitter and many other platforms trying to be it.

ooc is there anywhere we can see a roadmap pertaining to these goals? A lot of creative/artist success is contingent on the presence of non-artists as part of fandoms/communities on the platform - a street fighter artist will reach people following street fighter, an undertale artist will reach people following undertale, and so on. so to me the #1 priority toward that end would be producing robust community features that encourage people to form communities not centered on, but still including artists in the bigger picture. It's why tumblr was so good for artists before the NSFW purge, it was a website built around socializing and community enrichment first.

in reply to @vogon's post:

Appreciate everything else in this post but this is * wildly * wrong IMO for * so many * reasons:

"a) I'm gonna be real with you, if you want twitter again but owned by people who aren't awful, what you want is proooooooooobably mastodon, or maybe like... plurk or something"

literally, the chili drama happening concurrently to all of this is like... emblematic of what would be the only topic of the day if not for Elon.

on some level tho, twitter is conceptually unmatched. I used the global search in 2011 to help my friend figure out train routes home in the aftermath of the big Tokyo earthquake and like, as a college student 6000 miles away nothing else was possible like that bc of the medium. There's been so many features and poor moderation since then that it's hard to be like "I want another twitter" but damn, it's a little scary that we may not have a utility on twitter's level for the next Big Happening. something something public utility, alas

+1

honestly i'm not sure if any other social media will substitute twitter. mastodon isn't mainstream enough to do what twitter does, even tho they've been trying. it'll be a massive cultural change if (when?) twitter dies

Your second point is interesting; I think it reflects a certain amount of deeply internalized bargaining that heavy twitter users have done with themselves and then mostly suppressed.

Like, one thing I had on twitter that I kinda never expect to have here (simply because of scale) is by far the best COVID info available anywhere. Straight from the researchers, with people I personally trust combing through it and translating the more technical bits.

Also some of the worst COVID info available anywhere, straight from the antivax fash dipshits into my mentions if I forgot to keyword-search-obfuscate certain words.

The implicit bargaining is people like me looking at that and going "I have no idea how to get the former without the latter so I'm not even gonna ask for what I really want".

When we test a new drug, we have to weigh the side effects against the benefits, and that is not done on a curve.

It did enable some good things. It also elected dictators and fomented genocide.

At what point does the percent chance of horror outweigh the benefits?

Oh I didn't think you were, no worries. :D I think change and loss are scary even if it was something that was bad for you. Just because your ex was horrible, doesn't mean you won't feel bad when you split up.

twitter really is shit. the only thing i miss is the community. the site is trash, but there are cool ppl there. literally the only reason i open it occasionally lol