ann-arcana

Queen of Burgers 🍔

Writer, game designer, engineer, bisexual tranthing, FFXIV addict

OC: Anna Verde - Primal/Excalibur, Empyreum W12 P14

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posts from @ann-arcana tagged #social media

also:

there was a rash of think pieces and viral tweets and other such Thought Leadership™ a while back about the lost of "third spaces" or whatever

the idea being that part of the reason everyone's so anti-social now and perenially online instead, is because capitalism has so thoroughly enclosed the commons that there's nowhere left to be except work and home

even the fuckin' malls started ripping out all the benches so the kiddoes won't hang around

but the truth of the matter is, I feel like the internet has had the same problem for a while now, maybe even worse

I get on the Internet, and I have work spaces (Slack etc.), and if I'm lucky I have a home space, usually some kinda chat full of friends like IRC or Discord or WhatsApp groups or whatever is "in" rn ... but I definitely don't really have a third space in the same sense as that word applies to meatspace

of course the closest obvious equivalent was social media, and the comparison to modern social media and shopping malls sure as fuck writes itself, what with all the goddamn everything just being there to sell you shit every minute of every day

but also social media brought this insane reach that I don't think is what people are looking for in a "third space"

posting on Twitter was like trying to have a conversation in a movie theater that's running three screens at once, and also the entire town is there

so many more people than you ever wanted are privy to your conversation, and they're all angry that you aren't talking about the thing they think you should be talking about, and the thing quickly escalates into an all out brawl. If you're lucky maybe you find a few comrades-in-arms out of the process, but you're not gonna consider it an enjoyable place to relax or meet your future partner

the thing that's missing is that real world third spaces often have something that provides both a common interest, and a common filter. not everyone is coming into this particular coffee shop, or record store, or game shop, or whatever. the place itself helps to both draw like-minded people, and disinterest those who aren't into what its providing, and through that common bond, community forms and friendships are made

chat spaces can kinda be that, but usually you have to somehow find out about them in the first place, and public chat spaces tend to have all the problems of any other public social media. It might seem to make sense to say "oh I like this video game, I'll join their discord," but I suspect everyone reading this has learned why that is rarely a good idea

this is why I think forums were so vital to the middle era of the internet, and the real reason so many people are nostalgic for them: they were, for many of us, the closest thing we got to an internet "third space". Public enough to bring us into touch with a wider world, but gated enough to build shared community. The registration barrier, and the often niche nature of topics limited who was likely to take an active part, and the asynchronous pace of them meant it was at least somewhat easier for moderators to maintain a clear tone.

They weren't without their issues, but they bridged that gap between public and private well enough, and many did indeed grow communities that were really about their people more than any one topic. anyone who truly inhabited a forum in those days could tell you the bonds that tended to form, or how the off-topic space tended to grow to be the most popular on the site

cohost is closing down in a few days now, and I find myself thinking about digital third spaces. @staff sometimes billed this place "the fourth website", but in truth, I think this was almost but not quite the closest I've come in some years to finding a digital third space.

the limited registration, the peculiar demographic, the distinct tone and design, all conspired to make a kind of community here, one I wish I had been more active in.

I was just kind of afraid. I forgot how to be in a third space.

In truth, I think if this site's fall has a cause beyond that of simple capitalism, it's that. So much of the conflict that has arisen around the site from almost the first day it started opening its doors wider to the public, reads in hindsight like the reactions of people traumatized by the false spaces that social media has been providing now for so many years.

this place was just too good for the modern world. we forgot how to make it work.

but I think, I hope, that we all learned something from it, and maybe there will more places that carry on that spirit of the digital third space. I've thought a lot this past month on what I could do to make that happen. Even thought of starting a forum.

But I think what I need to do is just ... relearn how to find and build shared spaces again, or just embrace the ones I've still got as much as I can, while I can.

thanks for everything, eggbug.



took down my masto instance today. mastodon.redpanda.fun is no more.

it's kind of sad, I suppose. I was excited to have an "own thing", on my own domain and everything, but the actual experience of that is that the UI is a mess, everyone left, server admin sucks, and my digitalocean hosting bill just kept going up and up and up.

my last hosting bill was 36/month, for a site with three users, only one of whom had even logged in since June, and an attached Convos that had been used even less. My timeline had declined to the point where it would go days with only one single poster in my timeline for an entire screen.

it feels strange to do this in the wake of certain social media news but ... ironically I think that is exactly why I wanted to do it. my time on cohost, and away from the bird site, and my experience of masto, have all kind of coalesced into a very particular set of conclusions.

  1. microblogging actually is a bad idea, actually. the soundbite-ification of discourse into hot takes and dunks and quippy remarks really is just bad for your brain, just as it was in the 90s cable news era. changing rulers, or even running your own site, doesn't actually change that.
  2. "everyone everywhere all at once" is actually a bad model and has been a disaster for humanity. silos are fine, actually. community is good. being able to build your own space for people you connect with, without being subject to the ever present panopticon is, in fact, something we should encourage. Forums were not the bad old days ... they were Discord. I think most people who aren't terminally online have been feeling the same way for years now, which is why WhatsApp groups and Discord and Telegram have all taken off.

In the wake of recent news from the giants, so much hot taking has happened about "the future of social media" and if you want my absolutely honest opinion, I don't think it has one, and I think that might be a good thing for all of us.

I want smaller spaces, with more room to breathe, create, and think. To form, and communicate, complete thoughts, without feeling like I'm fighting the platform to do it. I feel like Cohost has far more potential for that than anything else running right now, and that seems like the mission and message I get from the staff. So here I am.

Plus, cohost plus is only 5 bucks instead of 30. Not hard to follow that math.

So RIP mastodon.redpanda.fun. You were probably a fine idea for someone else, but I just don't think that someone is me.