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so what do you guys think is the reason we don't have subcultures anymore? my pre-1970s history is not amazing but it seems to me that subcultures existed from at least the 1920s up until the 2010s, and then disappeared. that's a question that seems as interesting and inexplicable as the Fermi Paradox and i feel like we should be collecting potential answers to it in the same way

some things i think are possible:


-this well known article about the life cycle of a subculture is accurate, and the problem is that "sociopaths" are not interested in subcultures anymore, because scams that can fool a lower common denominator of people (such as web3.0) are more potentially profitable, and the money that is needed for a subculture as we remember them never shows up

-it's not the sociopaths, it's the people one step above them: shareholders, who have become more risk-averse and also hungry for infinite growth than ever before, and would be furious with anyone investing in a niche product

-as social media has become a more central part of people's lives and identities, simply sharing an aesthetic post or two is providing people with enough of a sense that they have adequately expressed themselves that they feel no need to commit to non-conformity any harder than that

-we're just literally all too tired. as the late-capitalistic noose tightens around us, things like nonconforming self expression become idle fantasies that most people have no energy for

-art disposability culture, and FOMO. because the average amount of time a geek of any stripe spends with a piece of media has been reduced to like, a week, before they move on to the next thing, no one fixates on anything long enough to build culture upon it (i've seen the phrase "this late in the game's life cycle" applied to a game that was still in early access, for instance)

-music is strictly necessary for subculture to form, and the music industry is in shambles, music literacy is at an all time low, and fewer people can afford to even be musicians because there isn't even part-time job money in it anymore, at a time where people need 1.5x or more jobs to pay rent

would love to hear any thoughts about those or other ideas!


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I personally think furry is more of a subculture than a fandom, and it has still not really been assimilated into the dominant culture in the way that 'geek (i.e. comics/video games) culture' of the 80's and 90's genuinely has, so there's that

that is a good point! it is unfortunate that it's one that doesn't really get expressed in meatspace much outside of specific conventions (and often can't, safely), but i really shouldn't be taking it for granted. it is a subculture that exists

this is interesting, because where i'm located subcultures are extremely alive and i wasn't aware there were places that didn't have at least big goth and punk scenes (but also i have never lived in a city that wasn't relatively inexpensive to afford)

oh shoot really? both are totally nonexistent around me, and i feel like you can't really find, for example, a goth twitch streamer if you look for one, and i just don't really see them around anywhere else, so i thought they were just totally gone everywhere!

i'm really curious, would you be down to dm me the general area you're in as an ask, if i super promise not to publish it? it's ok if you don't want to trust like that :p

come to The Dungeon if you're into a nightclub that hosts goth nights, or Z'otz coffee house if you're into goth or punk or tabletop gaming spaces, or Sisters In Christ if you're into a record shop that sells neat vintage ephemera and is super plugged into the goth, punk, and metalhead scenes

This is going to sound like "old woman yelling at cloud" but honestly I think the internet plays a big role in it. When I was a teenager in the 2000s and early 2010s, groups of mall goths were a common sight, kind of appearing in any mall like a benevolent fungus. When they see someone else wearing a Gir hoodie or wearing mesh sleeves and black nail polish, it's immediately visually apparent they share some kind of common ground and in search of being social, they naturally stuck together. Same thing goes for any other kind of subculture with immediately identifiable visual markers. Skaters tended to magnetize towards skaters because skaters look like skaters, for instance.

But now if you want to find other people who are mall goths, or on a more granular level, people who are into things that mall goths tended to be into even if they're not mall goths, it's extremely easy to find them online and talk to them there. You don't need to be on the lookout for a Gir hoodie to find another Invader Zim fan, you can just check the Invader Zim tag on Tumblr. Couple that with the decline of just hanging out in public doing nothing, and that brings us to now.

yeah that makes sense! subcultures as a thing that formed from the necessity of visually identifying likeminded people, and as a thing that disappeared when that stopped being the most efficient way to do that. seems like a totally reasonable theory, i hadn't thought about that, thank u

Subcultures haven't gone anywhere, they're merely smaller and more diversified in terms of how they're able to exist. Thing about nonconformist self-expression is that it's always going to exist, subcultures will also always exist even if they grow and shrink over time. It's more an issue of if they're visible than if they exist.