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@fish

We asked how the studio culture changed at ZA/UM after the departure of most of the original writing team and the airing of the People Make Games documentary looking into the legal battle that ensued afterward. “It’s like transitioning from the Soviet Union to the fascist Russian Federation,” Tuulik said. “Wearing the dead cultural movement like a skin costume, roleplaying communism, lying for dollars and yen. PMG doc changed lots of things in the studio. Personal dynamics. None for the better.”

Last Disco Elysium writer laid off by ZA/UM speaks out

besides their video about ZA/UM, i'm not familiar with People Make Games. they might do good reporting on other subjects, i wouldn't know.


geometric
@geometric

PMG puts a lot of work into their productions and their stuff is generally pretty good but yeah, the ZA/UM one was such a wreck, ESPECIALLY their obnoxious "this ain't it" finger wagging at the end when the former lead writer imo correctly pointed out that holding him up as a toxic meany is such an obvious distraction from the criminal shuffling of millions of dollars happening.

I have feelings about the PMG guys too frequently centering themselves in a way that feels inappropriate to the subject matter, and it's more tolerable when they're reporting on cool Chinese games or whatever, but in a few instances, and the majority of the ZA/UM video, it's unprofessional and careless.


psilocervine
@psilocervine

pmg's videos have pissed me off more times than I can count and even before the za/um shitshow, their roblox one really fuckin' rubbed me the wrong way. like people called the disco elysium one liberal propaganda but hooooooooooo fuckin' boy their roblox one was just as bad for a bunch of reasons. like that entire video talks about "yeah so roblox is a game that targets children and it doesn't even pay them" and treats that as more important than the fundamental question they never ask, which is "should children even be allowed to engage with this sort of system at all?"

like a huge part of the thesis of their video was the underpaying part! it was treated as more important than literally the fact that the game only exists at fucking all because of child labour

I swear to god I thought I was losing my mind when I watched people praise that video


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in reply to @fish's post:

I was a big fan of PMG when their video dropped and I was really really disappointed after watching the video. Not to diminish the problems from the crew, but that really wasn't the time to bring that up, and honestly it's the kind of problem that should have been settled privately.

Their videos up to that point were normally exploring really interesting topics from mostly old incidents in game development. I think they pivoted into being investigative journalists after their Roblox video, which was similar to the ZA/UM in tone but at least it was calling out a big corporation exploring children, and AFAIK involved other journalists that were deeper in the trenches of that investigation.

...but, for what it's worth, the writer who said the quote you included in your post is one of the ZA/UM workers with the most screen time in the PMG video, so it's a bit hypocritical of him as well to criticize it as if he hadn't any involvement with it.

thanks for providing some context for what PMG does! i wasn't aware of them until the ZA/UM video.

and, yeah, it's easy for people to do a 180 once they're fired. the writer didn't have any involvement in the video's editing process, though, so i don't want to call him or any of the other interviewees hypocritical. it's a messy situation!

Yeah I concur. PMG's video on ZAUM was soft on the company and crucifying on the fired crew. It didn't earn them any points per se, but it also presented new info that neither ZAUM or Kurvits, Taal/Rostov and Hindpere hadn't had a chance to air prior. But they guilted Kurvits and Taal/Rostov and brushed Kompus soft.

seems like i misinterpreted his quote! thanks for providing the link, i wouldn't have known otherwise.

i still can't shake my feeling of the doc's opportunism, but that's just my personal reaction as someone who isn't familiar with PMG's body of work.

PMG was so naive to the inherent power imbalance between the two sides of the issue. naturally the guys with all the power in the situation get to speak more candidly than the guys who are fighting like hell not to lose everything, both inside the company and outside of it.

in reply to @psilocervine's post:

honestly i was so stoked to see anyone target roblox that i honestly didn’t even think about that, you’re completely right.

imo, this is a really big problem in leaning into british journalism. i feel like the culture there is dominated by upper class folks oblivious to the fact that the system is wrong instead of “just needs some tweaks and a few bad actors shamed”

the people who have opportunities and access in the uk trend towards wealthy backgrounds even more so than the US and it leads to this weird attitude.