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iliana
@iliana

a vague problem i have with tags on cohost is that they now have two very distinct feature sets:

  1. discoverability: you can find posts with a specific tag
  2. antidiscoverability: you can muffle posts with a specific tag

so if i tag something with a topic that i expect users have or may want to muffle it also has the effect of making that post discoverable by that same tag, which i may not want.

the particular example pointed out here of tagging eye contact such that it could be muffled by a minority of users would mean that if i posted selfies with eye contact i would need to choose between making them discoverable which i don't want, or correctly tagging the thing so that users who explicitly have it configured don't see it by default

idk how you would solve this (what we probably don't need is two tiers of content warnings that do different things by default) and it's honestly probably fine but it's weird to me.


lifning
@lifning
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nex3
@nex3

I don't think trying to enforce a culture of extremely exhaustive content warnings plus asking most people to opt out of most of them (or asking @staff to come up with a canonical "default opt-out list" and keep it up-to-date) is the right way forward here. I think a much better solution, which would address other needs as well, would be to have robust per-post and per-account privacy controls. If you don't want your post to be searchable, you should just be able to make it unsearchable; you shouldn't have to avoid tagging it. (Or we could expand on my private tag idea to have a magic prefix for "quiet tags" that aren't searchable... but maybe that's too undiscoverable).


shel
@shel

I agree that the easy solution is just a tick box on the post composer that says "exclude from tag search"


knifemilk
@knifemilk
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astralbastard
@astralbastard

From what I understand, the pattern matching works in such a way that you can do the same thing people have been doing on tumblr for a long time: appending extra characters to the tag so it'd only match the blacklist but not the discoverable tag. On tumblr this had the extra perk that you couldn't browse those tags: if you added something like a hyphen, the url just didn't work anymore. Here it's possible to browse the page for "#food -" just fine, so it's not perfect.


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in reply to @iliana's post:

in reply to @nex3's post:

I think per post privacy controls are really important. However, I'm not sure I understand what the material difference is between "enforcing" (which would presumably amount to asking nicely for) a culture of tagging-and-privating vs a culture of CWing things like eye contact? If it's that they're hidden by default, maybe the author could choose whether or not a given CW should hide by default or only if the reader picks some "strictly hide all CWs" mode?

The elephant in the room is we want to avoid the culture of Mastodon where people's first impression of the community was posting a selfie, which is very normal, and then being dogpiled and told to hide their face behind a content warning

It seems like that could happen just as easily with tags, and acting like it's an inherent issue with a feature called "content warnings" and not with other people forcing their desired content ontologies onto others strikes me as extremely counterproductive.

Like, harassing people to tag vs harassing them to CW isn't better, so Cohost, like the best Mastodon instances, needs to make structures that prevent that dogpiling rather than making a shibboleth out of being anti-CW.

This exact thing played out on Tumblr when the first tag blocking browser extensions started coming out, and I sincerely hope that Cohost can avoid those mistakes.

Absolutely with you and bumped your feature req. post as a discoverability toggle that keeps tags local to your acct if you want them to be so you can filter your page usefully but don't show up elsewhere is definitely what feels the best way to help encourage tag usage in a way that's not fraught/exhausting

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