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Musician and a fan of harmless mischief. Also I like bananas, frogs and rhymes.

Musician pseudonym: Flye Sen


My music (mostly albums)
flyesen.bandcamp.com/
My music (anything else)
www.youtube.com/@flyesen
My music (other stuff sometimes)
soundcloud.com/flyesen

Disclaimer that I'm not a linguist and I'm just someone who has read too many wiktionary entries

Words marked with * are reconstructed

There's linguistic evidence that red dye at some point/in some places was made from worms. Specifically Kermes vermilio, which are technically scale insects, turns out.

English "vermillion" <- Latin "vermiculus", little worm - from "vermis", worm in Latin.

English "crimson" <- Persian کرمست‎ (kermest), "carmine" is also related. From the same Proto-Indo-European root! Did you know that Persian is an Indo-European language? I'm not ashamed to admit that I didn't.

These two words are theorized to be connected to Sanskrit कृमिज (kṛmija).

Proto-Slavic *čьrvenъ is formed from *čьrvь - worm, and;

From that we get Ukrainian "червоний" (červonij), Polish "czerwony", Russian "червонный" (červonnyj) which is now replaced by "красный" (krasnyj) and that's a whole other story, which I feel obligated to tell.

In Proto-Slavic there was a word *krasa - "beauty". From that word was formed *krasъka - "paint", literally meaning something close to "beautifier".

Verb form *krasiti meant "to beautify", "to decorate". In Russian this meaning was influenced by "paint" (my assumption) and now modern Russian "красить" means "to paint".

Now, something more drastic happened to the adjective - *krasьnъ, formerly "beautiful" and at this stage "painted". Somehow - maybe, the most obvious paint to everyone was red paint, or some other reason - it started to mean "red", and it only happened in Russian. And as I mentioned, in one of its closest relatives, Ukrainian, the worm-based word "червоний" is still used.

Curiously, this "beautiful" -> "painted" -> "red" shift didn't affect all occurrences of the root. For example the word "прекрасный" (prekrasnyj) still means "very beautiful", and "краса" (krasa), however archaic, is still recognized as "beauty".


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in reply to @banana-interface's post:

The Indo-Iranian language story is the most underrated part of the Indo-European family. A group of Indo-European speakers set out from Turkey headed east, some stopped in Iran, they founded Zoroastrianism, which has a scripture called the Avesta, written in what we now call Avestan, and some stop in northern India, founding Vedic religion (which became the seed crystal for Hinduism), based on the Vedas, which were written in Vedic Sanskrit. These two languages were preserved entirely due to being liturgical languages. I think that's amazing. And it took forever for anyone to suggest, hey wait, are these two religious texts written in related languages? because who would be looking at both of them at the same time! No one studying one would expect the existence of the other!

It's a really interesting story, I agree. One of the most mind blowing parts here, I think, is that Vedas were preserved orally. Not without some distortions, but preserving so many archaisms that we can reliably tell they're actually old. Listened to a great talk about them recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIkHgVSKQ4U

Also bonus fact: Modern Russian "ведать" (vedat') - "to know" and Sanskrit "Veda" - "knowedge" are not only related but ended up sounding rather similar, which encourages pseudo-experts to say that these two languages are directly related (not through PIE), and that Russian in particular is more ancient than it actually is. I hate it here sometimes.