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This post has content warnings for: talk of plural exclusionist nonsense, and helping people new to selves-discovery, syscourse.

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This post has content warnings for: more discussion of exclusionist nonsense, resources and history.

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Someone's outright posting Exclusionist Talking Points(tm)* in the plural tags, so I thought I'd reblog this as a "beware the missing stair" for the new folks who aren't familiar with this whole slapfight.

Block them (+report if they're being especially noxious) and move on.

*Which I am discussing in the comments, because it isn't worthy of being in the post proper.


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in reply to @bazelgeuse-apologist's post:

or maybe if you're trans and queer, it won't surprise you at all to know that this kind of stuff exists within yet another fringe community, lmao.

I regularly nod at your plural-meta posts and think "Phosphor's done it again, another fine post that would barely need a find-and-replace to work as a queer-meta post" lmao. SIGH. Humans are like this, unfortunately....

I have nothing else useful to add, just, as someone who doesn't know shit about shit I am flashing you a thumbs up. Your posts are good and I think your instincts are pretty on the money– it's just not always easy when the subject is Complicated and Nuanced!

Humans are so humans so much forever

I think what I'll do is, instead of writing a whole separate primer on exclusionist nonsense, I'll just do like... a few paragraphs at the end of the bigger "how do I know if I'm plural" primer that basically just go "fyi, there's people in the community who think you Need Specific Trauma to be Valid and that certain experiences are Fake. they are not great company for selves-discovery, even if you currently fit into their boxes, because you will feel pressured to continue fitting into their boxes instead of exploring yourself nonjudgementally. here is a writeup on the plural community's history if you want to read more about how this bullshit came to be! here's another essay about why this kind of thing exists and why it sucks for everyone, even the people doing the excluding. enjoy!"

A mention as a heads-up, and some links if people really wanna read more, but that's it - because it really doesn't deserve more than that in a primer for newbies.

in reply to @bazelgeuse-apologist's post:

i know this was posted a little over a month shy of a year ago, but absolutely enormous thank you for sharing these! As someone(s) who absolutely slot into the "new plurals" category these have been very helpful, informative, and interesting reads to get us up to speed with, well... All of This

in reply to @bazelgeuse-apologist's post:

A very, very common Exclusionist Talking Point goes like this:

  • DID/OSDD Only comes from Severe Repeated Childhood Trauma
  • It is Bad And Ableist to suggest otherwise because it spreads Misinformation about DID/OSDD
  • Therefore, plural systems who don't come from trauma are Bad And Ableist because their claim to existence spreads Misinformation About DID/OSDD

Putting aside the question of whether DID/OSDD really Only comes from Severe Repeated Childhood Trauma for a moment*, you'll notice that there is an unspoken additional step in the logic here:

  • The only kind of plurality that is Real And Valid is DID/OSDD

Which, like. Is glaringly false given *waves hand at everything I linked above*. You would assume that politely pointing this out to exclusionists would make them at the very least revise their Talking Point, but in my experience, all it does is make them double down and repeat themselves over and over. They fundamentally do not want to acknowledge the validity of any kind of more-than-one experience that exists outside of the medicalized sphere - the rest of the argument is just a prop for this.

So, if you see someone yelling this stuff from the rooftops and they won't listen to you telling them about the diversity of plurality, it's not your fault. They just don't want to listen. Block them, report them if they're being especially noxious, move on.

*This is a whole debacle of its own, but the most fundamental takeaway from it is "someone's trauma and medical history is complicated and personal, and absolutely none of the business of internet strangers."