Related to this conversation I've noticed something about the way people talk about media consumption, a bizarre mix of moralizing and the projection, where if you like a piece of media then it is Objectively Enjoyable and if you don't like it then it's Objectively Nonenjoyable, which means that if a piece of Nonenjoyable Media has anything problematic about it, well clearly nobody can be enjoying it for its own merits so anyone who enjoys it must be doing so in order to be deliberately evil