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beth (defunct)@bethposting11/8/2023, 10:44 PM

Amagire @amagire

beth (defunct)@bethposting11/8/2023, 9:59 PM

roko's basilisk is some of the dumbest shit i've seen in my entire life

it relies on a massive, unfounded assumption that AGI will somehow take over running the world within our lifetimes, which anyone who actually knows stuff about AI can easily identify as complete bullshit. it's like pascal's wager for really stupid dudes online who are convinced that they're geniuses. anyone spending time worrying about this scenario that's just a figment of a fevered imagination probably has some motivation to distract attention from the thousands of real and urgent problems that exist in the real world where people live

#Roko's Basilisk #ai discourse

Amagire @amagire11/8/2023, 10:37 PM

"what if an all-powerful technogod creates a perfect simulation of you to torment for eternity" uh, idk, johann. what if vampires are real

#fuck that perfect simulation anyway #that's not me

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Natalie @nex311/8/2023, 10:00 PM

also I would rather suffer endless simulated hell than lift a finger to bring about something that would make people suffer endless simulated hell

signal eleven @widr11/9/2023, 3:50 AM

that's not very libertarian of you (complimentary)

cecile @haraiva11/8/2023, 10:04 PM

its literally the game but for nerds

Binary @binary11/8/2023, 10:40 PM

lmao that's just true

Amy Dentata @amydentata11/8/2023, 10:27 PM

it's really just a naked recreation of a certain christian theology (catholicism? not sure, not christian) in pseudo-secular terms

@RightRevJake11/8/2023, 10:46 PM

It's Pascal's Wager plus Evangelical Rapture theology, as told by dorks.

JP @vectorpoem11/8/2023, 10:49 PM

the guy who thought it up is also now a completely off-the-deep-end white supremacist and (even less surprisingly) AI doomer (of the hype variety, ie "it will be incredibly powerful not just some shitty capitalism amplifier") so it makes sense.

whole thing is a massive pit of intellectual punji sticks.

cassie @porglezomp11/8/2023, 11:11 PM

It has successfully Pascal’s mugging’d those guys.

Th Esteemed Deed Commemorator @spineflu11/8/2023, 11:39 PM

to be fair, the ones who think its real are also the dipshits who'd let it happen because "its so powerful you guys".

Zerandal @Zerandal11/9/2023, 8:33 AM

It is indeed just Pascal's Wager for libertarian tech bros. Very similar to how often they talk about living in a possibly simulated universe (IMO at least)

seth @seth11/9/2023, 8:36 AM

The only way I can handle hearing about it it is by assuming that belief in it is some kind of hoax. The idea that actual real people consider it any more serious than a creepypasta gives me incalculable psychic damage

in reply to @amagire's post:

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy @pervocracy11/8/2023, 11:45 PM

Here's a simulation, running right here on Cohost's software: "Cliff was being tortured. He did not like it."

Why would the output of a more complex simulation bother me than that does? Either way it's not a thing that's happening, it's just a thing a computer says is happening.

(Also, why would the evil computer waste its own resources on ultra high fidelity simulations of billions of miserable people? The nerds are already convinced it would, it doesn't gain anything from following through.)

Amagire @amagire11/9/2023, 12:21 AM

Roko's basilisk is a thing I ended up reading way, way too much about because I embarrassingly once thought the lesswrongers were smart, and if they were worried about something so gobsmackingly silly it must be because I was misunderstanding something.

nope! "subjective bayesian probability" and "coherent extrapolated volition": gobsmackingly silly but with more words

Cliff 🦖 Pervocracy @pervocracy11/9/2023, 12:56 AM

The annoying thing is that Bayesian probability is a real thing, except it only works if you put in actual data collected in the real world, which is the part lesswrongers convinced themselves not to bother with

Amagire @amagire11/9/2023, 3:00 PM

"IF advanced A.I. is inevitable AND ALSO capable of complex realistic simulation THEN the possibility that we are living in simulated-reality vs. real-reality is essentially a certainty" like okay Clive Pascal did you notice the part where all of that was bullshit