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brooke @brookehorse11/30/2023, 5:59 PM

ash @astral

fwankie @fwankie11/30/2023, 5:02 PM

using "chat, please" in the same exasperated way people would say "God, why"

https://twitter.com/angeIsighting/status/1729843603587960989

brooke @brookehorse11/30/2023, 5:59 PM

hi, "chat" is not being used as a pronoun here

a preface: i am appreciative of people being curious and excited about linguistic innovation and change! its neat to see people talking about the ways in which speech, and particularly online speech, is adapting to fit new needs of language users. (i also want to say that i strongly disagree that this is something to be "horrified" by. language change is always happening!! and being afraid of it or hating it is a form of linguistic prescriptivism)

all that said: nothing in this thread has to do with pronouns ;;w;;

they're just talking about chat being used as a collective noun, "chat" doesn't actually replace any noun

and like, yeah, there's probably some really interesting questions about the ways in which people engage with streams and parasocial relationships linguistically, including the use of "chat" as a collective noun! (or like. idk, swifties/BTS army or whatever other like fan groups)

but people need to engage with actual speaker data to do that, not just armchair linguist their way through things that sound like something a streamer might say

#linguistics

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Shel @shel11/30/2023, 5:56 PM

This thread makes me so mad because it’s literally just a proper collective noun like Britain, Nintendo, Guam, Googlers, Google, Philadelphians…. Hell it works the same as Jews. There is nothing unique about “Chat” at all

fwankie @fwankie11/30/2023, 5:58 PM

well mainly it's considerably funnier to use in a sentence

Shel @shel11/30/2023, 6:01 PM

That doesn’t make it a pronoun. The fact that grammatically it becomes “it” is already good evidence it’s a noun. It’s only a pronoun if it’s standing in for a noun

fwankie @fwankie11/30/2023, 6:05 PM

but it is funny

Misty @dog11/30/2023, 10:11 PM

It took me a second to realize this wasn't about cats

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Snazzy the Dragon @snazzy11/30/2023, 6:32 PM

Isn't "chat" just a second personal plural? It's the same as saying "y'all" or "vosotros/ustedes"

brooke @brookehorse11/30/2023, 6:40 PM

the main thing that makes "chat" not a pronoun is that it is not replacing a noun

when someone says "y'all," that's shorthand for a group of people (specific or general, like using y'all to refer to two specific people, or the use of "they" in like "i hear they're building a new skyscraper downtown")

"chat" is just... the collective noun for a group of stream viewers! it could be replaced by "y'all" though! like, "chat needs to calm down" vs "y'all need to calm down"

i think there is something worth examining in the individual linguistic relation that a viewer has to "chat," especially if they use a phrase like "chat is going crazy" or something, whether they are participating in chat or not

idk there's some real stuff to examine linguistically, its just... not a pronoun ;;w;;

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