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💤🌵🤖@cactus1/10/2023, 1:38 AM

walking mirage @atomicthumbs

I left Cohost, see bio for details @AriaSalvatrice1/7/2023, 2:01 PM

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walking mirage @atomicthumbs1/10/2023, 12:36 AM

the fediverse seems like it's done a real bad job of eradicating hierarchy. it just made a thousand little ones that are kind of hidden and interact in unpredictable ways

💤🌵🤖@cactus1/10/2023, 1:38 AM

i still haven't read all of "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" but like.

As long as the structure of the group is informal, the rules of how decisions are made are known only to a few and awareness of power is limited to those who know the rules. Those who do not know the rules and are not chosen for initiation must remain in confusion, or suffer from paranoid delusions that something is happening of which they are not quite aware.

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2 lazy 2 think of name and/or avatar @nightfield1/7/2023, 8:11 PM

I had an account on Kolektiva but I lost the login info about half a month ago. While I miss seeing some people on there I really do not miss "the Fediverse". One of the last things I saw on there was someone celebrating that Mastodon was big enough to have a character of the day a la Twitter and I think that says it all, really. It feels like everyone there is just speedrunning pre-Elon Twitter, and that still sucked! I am tired of social media being a hostility engine.

I left Cohost, see bio for details @AriaSalvatrice1/7/2023, 8:24 PM

tbh kolektiva seems like a magnet for that kind of stuff. just seeing how many rules they have about the exact detail of all the political positions they will moderate (a very normal anarchist thing to do) makes me give them a a wide berth lol.

2 lazy 2 think of name and/or avatar @nightfield1/7/2023, 9:34 PM

That's totally fair. I'm pretty sympathetic to the mods b/c I think they have given themselves an impossible and thankless task and did a mostly-OK job of implementing the rules in a "we don't want everyone to defederate from us, please be chill" way (but a lot of stuff goes on in the fedi and I could have easily missed Kolektiva mod fuckery), but in the end it didn't even matter because they got #fediblocked anyway lol.

I've started then deleted a paragraph on the ways that Mastodon bums me out a few times but you've probably read it all before haha. I'm glad Cohost exists as a space where people can post long form stuff or short lil' stuff and the general mood is fun but people don't get treated like they are harshing the vibe if they aren't always upbeat.

tl;dr eggbugg gud

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Pokey @tercel-enby1/10/2023, 12:53 AM

Im sorry, that "Now, I am blocking you for Sea Lioning" bit at the end is fucking hilarious. Its like in the Amy's Baking Company episode of Kitchen Nightmares when she fires that waitress over a single question.

I left Cohost, see bio for details @AriaSalvatrice1/10/2023, 1:00 AM

It's really the #BoomerTagging that truly #elevates it

signal eleven @widr1/10/2023, 1:21 AM

damn they really reified pawg patrol with quickness and alacrity

Amaya’s Den 🍂@amayasnep1/11/2023, 8:57 PM

Disgusting. I can see who a lot of folks didn’t immediately jump ship from Twitter to Mastodon. This is worse than Twitter.

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Killfrenzy @Meckell1/10/2023, 12:50 AM

I've once or twice compared it to people hiding in their favored subforums pretending it's a walled garden and hoping The Bad Posters don't wander in, only to have a Mods Knew moment and, oh, whoops, it's their mod.

Annie D @ann-arcana1/10/2023, 1:17 AM

You cannot software engineer your way out of kyriarchy.

You have to just do the fucking work.

Tech will never learn this.

Bersl @bersl21/10/2023, 3:15 AM

"eradicating hierarchy"

Like it or not, this place is like an isolated oligarchy of a country. A benevolent one, but one nonetheless. What will keep it working is that it will not grow orders of magnitude larger, and the oligarchs continuing to agree to some general principles. On the other hand, if the agreement shatters, all bets are off on what emerges from the chaos.

The ActivityPub sphere is more like international diplomacy. Two instances (or groups of instances) over there will get in a pissing match, and everybody suffers as a result, but no one more than the users on the two instances. But honestly, the rest of the instances go about their business, happily trading messages.

So which one is the more stable one? The answer depends on timescale.

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