JuniperTheory
@JuniperTheory

This isn't me not knowing the definition of the world, it's more that so many people use it in so many different ways i've found online. What does it mean when a book has good prose? What about bad prose? What defines good prose to you, and what seperates it from good writing? Is the word specifically describing something good, or is it a word you add "good" or "bad" to to clarify what kind?


caffeinatedOtter
@caffeinatedOtter

I tend to think of prose as that subset of writing which is qualitatively deliberate in the kind of way that poetry is.

There's a quote to the effect that "the essence of [writing] style is the correct words in the correct places" and, mmm, I think that's a way of talking about it that's unhelpful for fiction writers. A ficiton writer's style is idiolectic; it's about personally characteristic words (punctuation, rhythms,) in characteristic places.

If I talk about the prose of a piece, it's like taking time to talk about something made of fabrics in terms of its textures. You can talk about writing being "good" in a lot of senses; technical writing can be good in the sense of correct, informative, clear, concise; but you rarely want technical writing to have inherently noticeable texture. You want it low-friction. You do not want it to snag the eye, leave you lingering over delightful word choice.

Other writing doesn't have to be about putting the textures under your hands; it doesn't have to make a point of that kind of richness. You can use the qualities of excellent technical writing to convey, say, fiction; and it's not a fault to do so. But it can be about that, and it's one of those things that makes writers especially memorable.

Like most things, it can be done more or less proficiently; and some writers' aesthetic sense is going to fall flat with me. I'd call writing prose if it seems to me that it's been crafted with the intent that its texture is an inherent part of the intended reading experience; and I'd judge it good if I think I can see what it's attempting with that, and whether I think it succeeded.


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Speaking only for myself, I feel like I tend to make a distinction between "writing" and "prose" that's a bit like the distinction between a "game" and "gameplay." Prose, for me, is evokes the textural feel or artfulness of the sentences themselves as I read them, the granular details of writing. In this sense, "poetry" and "prose" are two different sensibilities in writing, reflect different intended experiences by the author: A sentence can be "poetic" or "prosaic." Not all good writing is poetic writing (indeed, someone who puts too much mustard on every sentence is exhausting to read, especially when one is simply trying to make an argument clearly), so I reject the notion that "prosaic" writing is bad or unartful. "Good prose" is writing that feels clear and goes down easy, to be distinguished from "bad prose" that fails to do so. A lot of poetic writing is, in this sense, good writing but not good prose (because it's not aspiring to be prosaic).

I tend to use prose to mean the most text-specific aspects of writing. Does it sound good? Is it easy or difficult to read? Not much (directly) to do with characters or plot, just the words themselves and the sounds they make.

Different kinds of prose are good for different things. Different stories and themes and situations call for different kinds of prose, bad prose is prose which is innappropriate for its context. In general, that usually means either cringe or really boring and dull to read.

prose (as a quality to be judged) is primarily rhythm/flow and enticing word choice. it's interesting because it's hard to recognize good prose until you suddenly have to come up for air from a book, realizing that the writing itself, not the content, had enthralled you. it's only happened to me a handful of times, I can't even remember when. But good prose does tend to disappear. it reduces itself to the point that the window you're reading the world through seems to be nothing but air. the words you read are the ones you'd think of, but smoother, clearer, than your own thoughts could ever be

and so I think, perhaps, that prose quality has an audience. a certain kind of person is enamoured with the apt usage of uncommon words which they are familiar with but haven't seen used in such a way, another is dashing to the dictionary every other sentence. Another person is enjoying the flow of simple words used well, and yet another is frustrated at the facile writing. You're rarely going to be entirely happy with someone else's examples of good prose. even time shifts the sands of vocabulary, subjecting even such lists written within your lifetime to an early dusty grave.

note: spellcheck says I spelled enamoured wrong, but screw it, it's my language