vogon
@vogon

attempting to not get into the habit of sharing bad tweets on here, but this one is emblematic of a common, bizarre, and dangerous misapprehension of what "artificial intelligence" is and what it's good for, and I want to write a bit about it:


carshark
@carshark

Though I can't speak much to this post technologically, as I am not a person anywhere near involved with developing machine learning or AI, I do want to offer my perspective as a used car salesperson who uses this technology every day.

Though I sell cars, my main job is to be an underwriter. I am the last bastion between the unwitting public slavering to get into a Nissan Altima and the bank I work for betting on whether the loan they serve will function or flop. My job is to sit at a computer, try to get customers into the store, and collect their information for underwriting. Drivers licenses, paystubs, utility bills, SSA award letters, bank statements, insurance cards, social security cards...I have to collect it all, scan it, and funnel it into the bank's system.

As of a few years ago, well before I started with the company, they developed a system that uses OCR, algorithmic calculations, and machine learning to interpret the thousands of documents a day they receive from us lowly underwriters...and in an industry where speed is key, gave us another option aside from emailing it to the bank and waiting for a call back. My goal is to get a customer their terms, sign a contract, and get them into a car. Every minute counts, and having an "AI" that can look at a customer's paystub and calculate their verifiable income in less than a minute does, indeed, make my job easier.

Every minute of collecting paperwork, contacting the bank, and waiting for the financial processes behind the scenes to crank it all through the gears to give me a number I can use is a minute that I could better be using to engage my customer, showcase cars, and even get them on a test drive. Scanning a paystub and having it verified within minutes is a godsend, taking what would have taken me a good hour of emailing, waiting, underwriting, and waiting some more into productive time.

As to the original tweet: yes, automating things such as data collection and mathematical verification saves me time that I could use to productively engage a customer and roll a car. When that system fails, we have a backup: email the funding desk, send along the scanned information, open a ticket, make your case, and hope for the best. But for the standard cases, every minute counts, and getting lightning-quick results saves me time and helps me sell more cars.


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in reply to @vogon's post:

a quick glance at that person's follows shows tons of tech chuds, all people who are fully bought into that bullshit misunderstanding of "ai" despite many of them actually working in the field. i think a lot of them just have the huckster's mindset at this point - even if some of the essential truth of what you wrote runs through their heads when they hear someone asking for something like "ai does your taxes for you" they immediately think of it in terms of product / sales. "oh yeah we can do that. we'll have that within [childishly optimistic number of years]." the ultimate Cause above all else is the product, the product that will ultimately supplant all human decision making.

full disclosure: i fucking hate all these people.

i think ai could alleviate some bullshit job-sectors, like insurances, upper management, speculation on financemarkets.

but at the same time i would rather see those sectors decimated by no longer being neccessary due to the capitalist reason (right of property) for them to exist to simply vanish...

global suddenly(no resistance, all lives matter)-communism(in the sense that kropotkin would have used the term) is a lovely utopia without the usual dead landlords or dissidents to entrench the new status quo.. in RL you're probably gonna have to give them some new kinda drug though, as an ersatz for the missing "i've got more than the others"-kick...

maybe something like space cash from southpark xD ... as long as amassing loads of it doesnt have any negative consequences sigh maybe fiat money should turn stale when not being moved? idk. i hate the world we're forced to live in but at least there is potentially a way for changing it for the better, we just need to find it

This post is good and true, however as a random passerby I'd like to point out that never did the original tweet suggest that it would be more feasible for computers to automate legal or tax work, only that it would be a cooler idea than automating creative work.