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@ceargaest

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linguist & software engineer in Lenapehoking; jewish ancom trans woman.

since twitter's burning gonna try bringing my posts about language stuff and losing my shit over star wars and such here - hi!

username etymology

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ceɑꞃᵹæꞅꞇ @ceargaest12/12/2023, 2:09 AM

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Thew @Thew12/12/2023, 12:07 AM

getting depressed about color gamuts again

thinking about how we've had 10-bit displays since like 2006 but it'll probably be another 20 years before I can paint in anything besides sRGB

Thew @Thew12/12/2023, 12:39 AM

the criteria for "making a digital painting that includes the color Orange" are as follows:

A display that can reliably hit one of the Good Gamuts (DCI-P3 at a minimum, ideally rec2020)
Operating system that knows what that is
Software that supports painting in arbitrary color spaces
Web browser that can display your image exactly as you created it (assuming the viewer's monitor is capable)

the current state is:

Any decent TV can go well outside the sRGB range, but not in a way that's, like... documented or useful really. Most gamers own ""HDR"" displays which are actually very bad sRGB panels with a backlight that's too bright. Monitors with nearly-full coverage of DCI-P3 exist, but cost $3000. Rec2020 is still the domain of high-end commercial laser projectors, i.e. "don't care if I go blind/don't need to see the price tag anyway"
Windows now has an "HDR" toggle in one of the three conflicting display settings menus. Clicking this toggle ruins your entire computer
Photoshop claims to support this but no living human has ever successfully used it. Print shops employ druids for this purpose. No other computer program with a Brush tool even attempts this
lol and/or lmao

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in reply to @Thew's post:

SArpnt @SArpnt12/12/2023, 2:42 AM

i'm pretty sure krita can draw in hdr just fine, and provides tools to kinda view it on a regular monitor if you really need to.

i don't have an hdr monitor, so i had to use the color transform features, but i was able to edit the image just fine and the color transform features seemed useful. i might use it for creating video game textures since those need to react to all sorts of lighting well

Thew @Thew12/12/2023, 3:19 AM

ah cool, I haven't paid much attention to krita in a while. just looked up the docs for the linear color mode and it sounds pretty robust. neat!

Mansa @Nekomansa12/12/2023, 6:04 AM

Yeah! I was also going to mention this.

@electrofisher12/12/2023, 3:51 AM

The amount of greens missing from sRGB really changed how I look at digitally created media

Mansa @Nekomansa12/12/2023, 6:03 AM

I'm kind of confused about the distinction between wide color gamut and HDR here. Do you need hdr to truly represent a wider gamut or something like that?

Also I want to mention the recent 16in XP-Pen display tablet gets somewhere around 97-99% of both DCI-P3 and AdobeRGB for about $600, which is really cool.

Also also, the Steam Deck OLED might be the best opportunity rn to get more people experiencing accurate, wide gamut, HDR media (because of both the screen and OS support). It might also double as the best HDR reference "monitor" you can get for an attainable price.

Just to say, I think there's hope! (I've got nothing for browsers though. lol.)