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bruno
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Listen I need people to know about this. This is widely-known in culinary circles but the general public has not been properly informed of how this works.

In industrial pasta making, pasta dough is forced through a shaping tool known as a 'die' and extruded into shape. Traditionally, these dies are made out of machined bronze; bronze is food-safe and dissipates heat well, which is important because those dies get quite hot as large volumes of dough are forced through.

More modern dies are made out of steel and coated with Teflon, which extends their usable life and is cheaper. It also allows the machines to just push more volume of pasta out.

The bronze dies essentially impart their tool marks from the machining process onto the extruded pasta, creating a roughened texture full of micro-scale scratches. The PTFE-lined dies, predictably, don't.

You can tell this, of course, if you compare a Barilla fettucine to a De Cecco fettucine, the latter is just noticeably rougher. These surface imperfections left by the traditional bronze process cause the pasta to 1. shed more starch as it cooks, leading to starchier pasta water that is a more effective emulsifier for sauces, 2. retain a rough microtexture that captures and holds on to sauces better.

As a result, bronze-die pasta just gives you better results even though the ingredient list is identical to that of other pastas.

Pasta that is bronze-cut generally says so on the packaging. Barilla is, notably, not bronze-cut in spite of costing as much as several brands that are.


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in reply to @bruno's post:

Switching over to bronze die pasta has made such a difference, and it almost feels like cheating that more often than not I'm spending the same amount of money for dramatically superior pasta.

Hell, even generic store brand pasta is being made this way now.

i could not have told you the difference between dies or brands or which uses which, but by chance i happen to have similar-ish shapes from Barilla and Garofalo right here

had obviously never given this a thought previously but there is definitely a difference in surface texture once you know to look for it!

I highly recommend watching the video Adam Ragusea did on this topic last year! Also his channel in general is incredible.

https://youtu.be/AS_12ankZfg?si=d3EdIkOoPgcKIVKp

Essentially, the starch shedding during cooking is absolutely true. But the "holds on to sauces" claim is either not verifiably tested as true or is true but at a very minor level.

That being said, I am 100% on team bronze die pasta! The mouthfeel is superior to me which is more than enough reason to prefer it.

barilla does have a line of bronze-cut pasta. they made sure to make the box red (as opposed to their usual blue) and clearly mark it in big letters.
at the supermarket i shop at, i think barilla's might actually be the only bronze-cut pasta. i'll have to check.

i've just checked. out of the dozen or so brands they had at that supermarket, barilla seemed to be the only one with bronze-cut pasta. none of the others mentioned it on the packaging or had the rough texture that the barilla al bronzo pasta had.

the red, bronze-cut boxes of barilla were the same size as their 500-gram regular blue boxes, but contained only 400 grams of pasta. the price per kilogram was almost double that of the regular barilla pasta.

so, sadly, it does not seem i will be buying bronze-cut pasta there anytime soon. i will keep looking for affordable bronze-cut pasta elsewhere, though.

I wonder if there's a material that leads to an even more optimal pasta surface. Like machined nano textures to maximize surface area

The technically correct and not useful answer is going to be some diamond lattice, because it always is. But if bronze can do it, why not other harder materials