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linguist & software engineer in Lenapehoking; jewish ancom trans woman.

since twitter's burning gonna try bringing my posts about language stuff and losing my shit over star wars and such here - hi!

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ceɑꞃᵹæꞅꞇ @ceargaest9/17/2024, 12:04 AM

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Damien @eramdam9/16/2024, 11:56 PM

Just remembered about Webmention

Since I know a lot of people have felt that they'll miss the "being able to link (in a way that ppl know about) another post" when leaving cohost.

Well, turns out Webmention kind of fits the bill at least on paper. I have 0 experience about actually using it but it's out there and has been for a while

https://indieweb.org/Webmention
https://webmention.io/

#indie web #indieweb #webmention #webmentions #post-cohost

Irenes (many)@ireneista9/17/2024, 12:03 AM

we'd be vaguely interested in webmention experiments

we did very briefly have webmentions enabled on a blog we once had

can't even remember what we wrote about - it wasn't really us, it was our predecessors

they were a serious pain to set up support for, since older blogging software has them but newer software doesn't

we found that it was basically an extra inbox we had to go through to approve things, and it was 99% spam

any experiment we'd be part of would have to do something structural to address the spam problem... this feels like something that web-of-trust might be suitable for, if the relying-party controls for it are nuanced and not just boiled down to a single number as past efforts have been...

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John Colagioia @jcolag9/17/2024, 12:31 PM

If it helps, I set up a lot of the Indie Web stuff back in March and wrote about the experience on my blog. https://john.colagioia.net/blog/tag/indieweb/

I run Jekyll (a static-site generator), so people with servers might have an easier time. But the bare-minimum upshot for sending is (1) put up a page with the mention, and (2) send a message to the Webmention link on the page you're referencing. Receiving is a matter of having (or using) a server, and picking them out.

nortti OH1CAU @nortti9/17/2024, 4:41 PM

do you intentionally disable the ability to select text on your blog, or is that a bug? I tend to highlight text a lot as I read it, to keep my place, and so it being disabled makes somewhat hard to read for me

John Colagioia @jcolag9/17/2024, 9:37 PM

It's not disabled, as far as I can tell. I do style the selected text in colors that match the blog, but I don't know how that'd affect anything. To me, it reverses the background/text colors in dark- and light-modes.

Stupid debugging questions, since I don't see that behavior on Firefox or Chromium: What browser(s)? Any plugins that affect selections? If you assume that selection works and you copy the (alleged) selection, can you paste it elsewhere? Are you technical enough to pop open the developer tools and deactivate the (two) styles in the ::selection rule, and if so, does anything change?

Regardless, I apologize for the inconvenience. I poke at text as I read, too, so it's not behavior that I want, either.

nortti OH1CAU @nortti9/17/2024, 10:16 PM

This is on Firefox 115.15.0esr. The problem seems to be light-dark(), which is only supported by 120 and above.

John Colagioia @jcolag9/18/2024, 1:01 PM

Ah. I'll have to do some research to see if there's any way around that. It seemed far enough back that support should have made its way out, but since Jekyll compiles the CSS from SASS, I don't have many options for a dark mode other than rewriting it all as plain CSS.

Until I get there (or the ESR bumps up), I apologize again for not catching that oversight.

nortti OH1CAU @nortti9/18/2024, 4:21 PM

Thanks for looking into this.

For what it's worth, Debian will likely switch to the 128 ESR branch early next month, and I think 128 ESR branch is currently being offered to most users too as of this month. That leaves only Windows 8.1 and older and MacOS 10.14 and older with 115 ESR, which is the last version of Firefox for those platforms.

John Colagioia @jcolag9/19/2024, 12:47 PM

Oh, no, thank you for the heads-up and doing the initial research. I just want people to be able to use the page...

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Damien @eramdam9/17/2024, 12:04 AM

yeah... I remembered about Webmention because i had a brain flash about WordPress pingbacks which I feel are pretty much Webmention got modeled after (at least in part) haha

Irenes (many)@ireneista9/17/2024, 12:07 AM

oh uh ... other way around, surely? WordPress is comparatively recent, isn't it?

Damien @eramdam9/17/2024, 12:12 AM

Okay so turns out Pingbacks weren't a Wordpress only thing BUT they are hella old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingback

I distinctly remember seeing them back when I messed with WordPress in the late 2000s haha (WordPress is from 2003) (which is terrifying to think about)

Irenes (many)@ireneista9/17/2024, 12:14 AM

from 2003, wow. we wonder when it attained market dominance.

Irenes (many)@ireneista9/17/2024, 12:15 AM

anyway it looks from that page like we had confused WebMentions with pingbacks. our earlier experiment with with pingbacks. we just assumed that nobody today would be writing a spec for interoperable web software :( :( :( :(