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hthrflwrs
@hthrflwrs

the best thing about Doctor Who is that there are like twenty different afterlives that everybody goes to, with the implication that everyone's just cloning your consciousness to put in their various Locations

hthrflwrs
@hthrflwrs

like, just off the top of my head, there's:

  • hell (nuwho s8)
  • the dark place where you're chased by Something (torchwood)
  • that one city after the end of time where everyone hangs out (EU?)
  • testimony (nuwho s10)
Queso2469
@Queso2469

I am often thinking about the collective amnesia around ANYTHING that happened with Clara's husband, who was arguably one of the only characters who actually had interesting and consistently characterized interactions with Clara at any point in her entire run on the show. The 12th Doctor finds out an afterlife has been storing dead people's consciousnesses TWICE. Neither the writers or the characters seem to note this? And hell, that guy's great grandson was supposed to end up at the end of time? And like, sure, wibbly wobbly, but also like did they not know they were going to kill him off at that point?

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hthrflwrs
@hthrflwrs

what? the first time they go to an afterlife, it's literally to bring him back; the reason it fails is because he chooses to not go. the second time it happens, the doctor's entire memory of clara had been wiped, so he'd have no reason to seek danny out. the thing with the grandson was specifically set up to make his death seem more out-of-the-blue: time is rewritten in doctor who all the time.

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Queso2469
@Queso2469

This is probably mixed in with a lot of feelings I have around the 12th Doctor Era (and plenty of the 11th as well), where stakes and consequences feel so inconsistent that I don't know when I'm supposed to care about a character being dead or not. It feels like Clara cares a LOT the first time Danny dies, and then in the following season after it feels like he was never a part of her life at all. And like, it felt like every episode in the following season was about death in some way, and Danny's death just feels like it's never informing the way her character thinks about or deals with death. He's never even mentioned again. Just the way it goes from "This character is historically important" to "twist, he's actually dead" to "Never emotionally matters or is mentioned again" just makes the character arc feel forgotten to me.

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hthrflwrs
@hthrflwrs

Did you miss the Christmas special between S8 and S9 about Clara mourning Danny? IMO the entirety of S9 is about Clara not having that grounding influence in her life anymore -- the way that she becomes untethered, pushing further and further until it gets her killed. She moves on too fast because that's what she thinks the Doctor does, and being like him is what eventually kills her.

I don't think it's a perfect arc by any means (Danny Pink definitely deserved better) but, y'know, there is an arc there

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Queso2469
@Queso2469

I do think that works as an arc, but I don't really see it in the character or the text of the season. To me it reads mostly as "Her arc this season is about becoming ungrounded BECAUSE of the relationship between her and the Doctor," which is all over the text of the season, and I didn't really see anything that really read as "she is becoming ungrounded because of the lack of Danny's influence".

(And yeah, did see the Christmas episode. But I guess I consider that more of S8 than S9? Still wrapping that relationship arc up to not be touched again.)

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