tsiro
@tsiro
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numberonebug
@numberonebug

I love the very specific way that people on wikipedia speak when they're fighting


cactus
@cactus

ok so. you may be familiar with Fountain, the sculpture that was previously a urinal. One of the very few artistic decisions made in the conversion of a urinal into Fountain was rotating it so the back is on the bottom and the bottom is at the back. (This is also the only way to have the urinal lie flat on a pedestal, since the bottom of the urinal is not flat.) In my research for Fountain 1917, I stumbled across a very intense talk page argument about whether this represents a 90° rotation or a 180° rotation.

No topic could be less important than how to describe the angle by which Fountain is rotated, but with stakes this low, how could it not be a ten thousand word bloodbath?



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in reply to @numberonebug's post:

Its kinda one last remnant of that bizarre insider-lingo that manifested when companies got Big, to a scale we just kinda don't get anymore (IBM, GM, RCA, Kodak, US Steel, that kinda scale). I'm sure big tech companies like Alphabet or Apple also do it to some extent but idk.

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Same! But my opinion is that amount and degree of rotations required is dependent on the initial position, and we do not know what position Duchamp was holding it in before rotating it into its Fountain position, and therefore nobody can claim to know definitively what degree of rotation it underwent!

Lmao now this is how you start a firestorm. Hot takes lead to cold drama. I think you're right, the most bitter arguments have to have no actual stakes whatsoever, any amount of actual substance makes a compassionate person recognize someone else has a reason to feel that way, but something about the difference between two numbers when an image clearly describes it without the use of either of them is just the right amount of meaningless to make the fact that an argument is going on more important than the potential outcomes.

yeah the arguments about who actually made Fountain are more frequent but it actually matters and people (mostly the same people!) are way less on their bullshit about it. it's still not really what you'd call the theoretical ideal of reasoned discussion, but nobody's making almost-completely-unrelated animations to call each other pricks about it