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kirinwoah
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my friend, whose a chinese international grad student, recently went to the lgbtq hike hosted by my university's cdi. the night she got back she texted me about how much she hated the experience and how isolating it felt, where she wanted to connect with native english speakers and get to know her place in the queer community—having recently realized that she is interested in women. however, everyone she met there just kept to themselves and their own groups, and would end conversations with her quickly. one thing she is very interested in currently is learning about race in the united states, and wanted to talk to the other students about her own experiences: both as a foreigner with a racial/class landscape that she's used to, someone currently learning about america, and a student in social work (or policy, i forget which program shes in). most of the fellow students were white and seemed excruciatingly averse to the language/cultural barrier that existed between themselves and my friend.

a lot of students—even asian americans i talk to—repeat this sentiment that chinese international students are all rich and keep to themselves. and while this is true in that they do often have expensive clothes and get to live in pricey apartments, this evidently isn't always the case. my friend is a wonderful person whos been excited and eager this whole year to meet and befriend english speakers, but theyve been so overwhelmingly dismissive that shes getting very very frustrated and losing hope.

when she and i first met i talked about how "boring" i find the rest of students on campus and my frustrations—as a queer asian american— with the queer community, the asian american community, and the queer asian american community here on campus. she of course didnt understand because shed only been in america for a few months then, but it was heartbreaking to receive her texts a few nights ago about how she understands what i meant now. i hate to relate my experience with hers—i am a native english speaker—but sometimes it does feel like i speak a different language from my peers, and rarely get included in whatever groups or social rituals they partake in.

true inclusivity, in my opinion, immediately collapses once it has a definable static identity. ie, associated stereotype. let me explain.

two days ago i was in the car with someone i knew and respected, but this was my first time like getting one on one friend time with. he was listening to ariana grande and conan grey. we were talking about music and i can talk about ariana grande because she is, unfortunately, part of how my psyche defines femininity, but i did have to admit ive never listened to conan gray. do i listen to girl in red? no. do i listen to ricky montgomery? no. do i listen to any of the standard gen z (queer community claimed) artists? no. i dont.

a few days before that me and my other friend were talking about our favorite musical artists. she had rene rapp and boygenius and finneas and whatever and i have fucking pj morton and jon batiste and nina simone and brittany howard. and bruno mars and t pain and john legend and janelle monae and tyler the creator. i remember going to the pj morton concert about a year and a half ago, maybe more, and it being right next door to japanese breakfast. going to japanese breakfast were a bunch of obviously queer kids—dyed hair n shit (and white)—and i was going to pj morton with middle aged black ppl in line. and i was dressed in like this goregous yellow silk kimono and went completely alone and sober. it was a fantastic fucking time, but im sure you can see how the optics of this whole ordeal are just... odd. god were there so many good ass singers and dancers in that room.

good art inspires you. not to recreate what you see but to awaken something inside of you that may have laid dormant or youve been too afraid to let it show. i didnt know i was willing to dance in public until i saw janelle monae perform, for example. when pj morton performs its hard not to sing along because you are a part of the soul channeled in that very room. when jacob collier does the audience choir stuff you get to join in and contribute to a beautiful sound you didnt know you ever could be a part of, because that voice was in you the whole time. art isnt about making us all have something to latch onto, but helping us all be ourselves as much as possible, because there truly is enough space for us all.

and the same thing is true about inclusivity. its not about carving out a space where all the queer, terminally online, gifted kid burnout white kids to go... its about carving out a space where anyone can go. and everyone gets to play a part in the active definition and redefinition of that space—the active process of becoming.

ig you can tell that there is a lot of contempt in this post for the kids at my school. i do go to a big ticket university with a lot of rich kids. and ive built up a lot of frustrations from being on the outgroup of outgroups.

i remember overhearing a kid from our cdi talk about how "basically all the trans students in our school are in our group" while i was in the room. like, shut the fuck up, white ass.


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in reply to @kirinwoah's post:

white thirty year old trans lesbian here- i've had very similar experiences as you describe coming up in a lot of ways (and obviously many very different). i appreciate you writing this to share your discontent with monoculture.

i listen to janelle monáe, metric, aesop rock, depeche mode, gorillaz, franz ferdinand, yeah yeah yeahs, tv on the radio. i'm not interested in being a clone of anyone else- getting along with others and learning from them, sure, but not subsuming my own identity in service of fitting in.

i think the most puzzling thing about this whole ordeal is like... nobody actively chose to join monoculture or whatever. like, people genuinely enjoy the stuff they enjoy, so i do feel really guilty being all not-like-the-other-girls with this.

but like. ppl keep asking me how i dont like olivia rodrigo. "shes filipino, attractive, and her music is sooooo queer coded!" as if i am somehow betraying my identity by not—like you said—subsuming my own identity.

no it really isnt. shes just an attractive gen z popstar (who i think is literally my age :P) who has her audio used on tiktok a lot. she has that indie rock-ish vibe and that breathy-ass voice that kids like today. so i think queer kids project onto her. yes im being cynical in this description and biased but like god people really want me to like her music. apparently college leftists and their anticapitalist stances dont extend to their artistic/musical identities

one time my friend played me "lacy" off of her new album guts while trying to convince me its so sapphic coded. it is really fucking strange to project your identity and making guesses about another person WHO IS LITERALLY OUR AGE. like i could have gone to college w olivia rodrigo. im not gonna make guesses and "discourse" about her identity thats fuckin weird.

i am white and british so obviously this is not at all the same or anywhere near as serious or anything but god i definitely do relate to the feeling of going to an lgbt space and everyone there is just in their own groups, for the short time i was in university i basically only had one friend so if they weren't at the lgbt soc that week i just wouldn't have anyone to talk to at all, haven't really bothered with any since, since i wouldn't know anyone at any new ones and (was writing something here but realised it was literally just dysphoria)

see this is what i mean!! its really not just or even mostly a racial thing depending on the situation. this is just what happens when ANY social space when you form conversation around similarity rather than a genuine fascination in one another. to be honest i dont want a space where everyones just like me, i want a space where everyones different but genuinely fascinated in each other and curious for what happens when you put two radically different people into conversation. beautiful things happen!! and yes it takes a lot of mastery to make others comfortable to be different, but this is how id define true inclusivity.

and also by "radically different ppl" i dont mean like politican partisan. fuck conservatives. i mean like interests, upbringing, passions, skills, yknow.

(sigh) I don't know. Do you mind if I make this about myself?

I don't endeavor to become friends with particular individuals or groups, and when it's clear someone is making an effort to connect with me particularly, I immediately distrust them. I wonder what it is they're trying to get off of me; I wonder when the punchline's going to come, that this was all a setup to bully or humiliate me and take advantage of my trust. Because that happened a lot, and after a while you don't try to be friends with anyone, you learn your lesson and don't put yourself out there because it's never going to go well. So the friendships I do have all formed in an organic, chaotic fashion; they just sort of happened.

I guess that's why I don't really understand the desire to want to fit in with a specific group, and I don't see how one could expect to find meaningful friendship to form on the basis of a superficial similarity. And I have given it a try; I was invited to the discord of a fairly well-known group of queer/trans/neurodivergent people, and after a while got the distinct sense that I was only being tolerated, that I wasn't weird enough, that I wasn't the right kind of neurodivergent. People would blow up at me for what I felt were pretty innocuous comments, though most of the time nobody spoke to me; it was being made clear by very conflict-averse people that I wasn't welcome. And I'm pretty resentful about it, to be honest, effectively being told that I'm not special enough to be with the special kids. I don't know, maybe I'm just the devil, like that one crazy girl who tried to choke me years ago said, and people sense it.

I'm familiar with what you describe, though. There was this bunch; there were also the Postfurries, another group of self-described weird people. I went to a room party of theirs at a con and basically just sat there by myself as everyone else stuck to their own conversations (except for the friend who invited me). I mean, I dunno, there's a good chance they were all on ecstasy or acid and weren't capable of breaking each other's gaze. n.n