bluesky is ran by the same idiots who ran twitter into the ground. its central thesis is "moderation is too hard". the entire governing board are crypto weirdos. Any claims of interoperability are as-yet unseen. It is not a stable lifeboat and watching people flock to it is sad, lol
Is still evil
a lot of people just refuse to learn lessons. i jumped ship shortly after the news that musk was thinking of buying twitter, because i knew shit like what's happening now would happen. jack thought elon was a good pick to take over the site, and sucked before then, too. but people just mindlessly flock to whoever has money, even the ones that believe they never would
I saw a lot of people, well maybe not a LOT, but noticeable and non-zero number of people I followed were going to Bluesky. I understand the sentiment of "It sucks ass but literally what can you do when you want an audience" (see: Instagram, Tiktok, etc.) But, I think I'm really done just, supporting the complete empty husks that run those platforms.
It's got a fucking "dril racism dial" where people set how much activity from hate groups they want to see. Like come on!
so is this a bad feature or what i don't understand the complaint
if they can filter for hatespeech they should just ban the hatespeech. why is hatespeech allowed on the platform. I think that's the issue
To my understanding, isn't this a lot less like asking Cohost to ban hate speech and a lot more like asking "Mastodon" to ban hate speech?
why so?
mastodon is a series of separate instances of a blueprint spread across the "fediverse", so banning hatespeech would be per instanceg which yes would be a tricky/impossible task
but tmu bluesky as a twitter offbrand is a single centralized platform.
The idea is for AT to be an open protocol. I think some people already have personal instances
Huh, ok. I haven't looked into it too much on account of hating the concept of a twitter replacement (and twitter in general)....
i'll let others speak on what they find to be the issue then in in that case. still baffles and repulses me
I said elsewhere that I'll go wherever the artists and horny furries go as that's all I use Twitter for at this point. Not particularly attached to the Twitter model one way or the other.
Bluesky is meant to be a Mastodon alternative, with its own Fediverse protocol. except it's designed to be even more decentralized than Mastodon is, which has driven a lot of decisions that are otherwise pretty foolish
but they haven't released the code or the protocol or anything else anyone would need to run it, so right now there is only one Bluesky instance in existence, run by Bluesky themselves
ohhh ok, that's my confusion then.
...so...could they ban the hatespeech on the instance or nah?
Moderation is completely separate from instances
Anyone would be able to create a moderation service which users of any instance would be able to subscribe to. You won't see any posts flagged by the moderation services you've subscribed to
Because of this silly decentralized moderation system, mods can't actually delete posts, because Bluesky designed moderation as a decentralized filtering system. They just label posts as objectionable content, and then users who've subscribed to that particular moderation service won't see those posts
only instance admins can delete posts, and they can only delete posts that were originally made on their own instance
I made an account there because it's where a lot of the mutuals I had with big follower counts on Twitter ended up, including the friend whose Autostraddle piece was far and away my most liked and shared post I've ever made on here. But it's annoying and the order it shows posts in is confusing.
twitter's dead and the thing i need now is to make an account on one of these 5 identical sites that are all just twitter again but worse in new and fascinating ways
every time i see other artists chomp at the bit to get in on the new not-twitter the same day they crop up out of nowhere insisting they have in fact always existed, it makes me feel like i'm going insane
Did hive just like completely die after those massive vulnerabilities were identified
I'm still convinced that Hive was made by a Hollywood firm with how many folks from that sphere called for it's adoption. And it died when nobody else adopted it.
The entire "protocol" they're building on is all blockchain. It's more than governed by crypto weirdos, it is built on cryptocurrency shit.
I also thought this, but I guess fwiw they do claim that it is not, currently, working "on the blockchain", though I mean. I think it's only a matter of time even if they're telling the truth here
I went and looked at the actual docs for the protocol and posted about it back in April. It feels like they are definitely trying to go out of their way to say "trust me bro, it's NOT blockchain", but anyone who's ever done any work in that space at all will recognize that every technology they're building on is used by blockchain for blockchain. They even reference bitcoin specifications.
They can say it's not "on the blockchain", but that doesn't really mean anything because "what does blockchain mean to them?" and if the answer is "a system where public nodes are not validating transactions" then yeah they're technically not on blockchain. Yet.
But you can run a private chain yourself. Expensify does for their internal database keeping. They literally bolted a system on top of SQLite.
yeah the core point I think needs to be better known is that technically it's not currently a blockchain protocol because they are not holding a lottery for public validators to add posts to the authoritative log of all transactions that have occurred; however, the authoritative log is built on the exact same cryptographic primitive that every cryptocurrency uses and the change required for them to start doing cryptocurrency stuff would be minimal
They will absolutely support "seamless" cryptocurrency transactions between users within the app and have basically said as much (they're invested in Nostr which does this), but I don't see why they'd go further
there's also applications of proof-of-work to antispam (nostr has a NIP for this!) and in general requiring a microtransaction to be sent with every post made is a good (arguably the optimal) way to cover operating costs. I sincerely have zero faith that a team consisting largely of people who were involved with twitter's crypto play are not going to use the technology again.
HMMMMM, point conceded, but holy shit, that sounds like the worst trade-off ever even from their perspective. We'll see.
yeah, like, to be clear -- if their crypto play shows up, I don't expect it to be "you have to buy posts with bitcoin"; I expect it to be, most likely, running private validators to maintain the AT Protocol as a whole and maybe creating a market in a proof-of-stake crypto that you have to spend at the gateway to do things that burn the resources of bsky.app
Yeah, the systems they've got in place make sense for a PoS system, though I would not be surprised if they make it so that 1 public instance = 1 public validator, because to run an instance is going to require that you have both the desire to be a sysadmin and (effectively) a wildcat bank.
IPFS is good tech though. I think the primary motivation for cribbing stuff from it (authentication) is nerd shit easily mitigated by just hosting your own ActivityPub instance instead, but insinuations that it's "the same as" blockchain are misleading, incorrect and irresponsible. They would get nothing out of asking users to waste valuable computation time to generate decentralized consensus, which is a very money-specific application.
Now. What the system obviously is designed for is support for blockchain. NFT avatars on Twitter were phase 1 of Jack's interest in directly supporting cryptocurrency transactions within the social network, which is incidentally the same thing Lengthened Rodent is trying with "X". Compare Nostr which Jack is also invested in and is more crypto-angled and has this. I basically think Bluesky will probably acquire Nostr and incorporate that functionality, or something. Anyone who gets on Bluesky should know this going in, it's not a secret, they've stated it many times, but this idea people have that every post is going to be blockchain-validated, that's nonsense.
Unless there's a serious issue, I will go wherever artists and horny furries feel comfortable.
I'm not about to sit down and find it, but someone on Masto took a deep dive into the Bluesky protocol and found that interoperability was so specific and difficult to implement that it was functionally impossible.
Basically "I'm fighting with ActivityPub and Bluesky is atrocious even by those standards."
Man, it's not like I trust blueski; it has eaten of the forbidden fruit (vc cash), and is doomed to die in sin. But it also has funny posters.
A social media network cannot survive on the virtue of its protocol alone. Mastodon, for all its open interoperability, is pretty miserable to actually be on, in my experience. This has little to do with its protocol, and everything to do with the people who have been shaping its culture for the past decade.
Yeah, I like using cohost and all that, but there’s journalists and stuff who aren’t in here, and honestly who I kind of wouldn’t want on here. They’re moving to bluesky or substack notes or whatever. All social media is a compromise in one way or another, you kind of just have to be careful with how you use it
Is it built on venture cap??? I thought it was built on Jack's megabillions.
Fwiw I’m on a really pleasant mastodon instance where I talk about tabletop games with other well meaning and earnest people, and I don’t ever get exposed to the fash or cryptobros or crypto-fash. It’s nice. The problem is it’s all pretty low energy compared to the dopamine-smashing Big Socials and it’s definitely not funny.
All just feels like the age of a single social media platform covering all bases is done. Gonna have to hit up different sites/apps for different vibes.
I, a known cannibal who totally supports eating people, am going to build an apartment complex with a slaughterhouse in the back and a little walkway that leads from the "file a complaint" desk to the slaughterhouse. Also I made this complex off blueprints I got from other cannibals, with their money and building materials. And the slaughterhouse lights are on and the engines are churning. But don't worry, the door from the complaints office is currently locked, so you won't get eaten and I have no plans to engage in cannibalism. I swear
just turn that dial back a couple years and recreate literally all the conditions that got us in the predicament we're in. it's the electing Hillary of twitter replacements.
What I've seen it's just twitter again and twitter already sucked ass before Musky boy got his ugly mitts on it and I thought I´d rather just not.
In an environment where there are far more than 2 options, I don't think anybody can reasonably believe in a "lesser of two evils." Because you can cherry-pick any two evils and one will probably be lesser than the other.
