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verydragons
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I can fully operate my vehicle with decent competency and practiced skill, but part of that competency is the ability to adjust the heating/cooling and sound system without taking my eyes off the road for even a second. That's because I drive a car that's from the year 2010, and not just a few years later when my beloved tactile controls would have been all but certainly replaced by a flat, featureless screen that works like absolute piss in the winter and that would sport absolutely no haptic feedback.

If you don't own a car that has a touchscreen "infotainment" center, or don't really have a solid grasp on the severity of the problem, the issue is that vehicle touchscreens almost universally force you to take your eyes off the road to figure out what you're trying to do.

And it's not like the features that these systems offer are simply nice-to-haves — physical comfort can affect response time and concentration, and music can allow better road focus for those of us who have brains who don't do attention like most people's brains do. So, not super ideal to try to be fiddling with (and looking at) a flat featureless screen while you're trying to carry out a task that's inherently dangerous if you stop paying attention to it. But even aside from that, some more modern vehicles even have key safety features like windshield wipers (!!) and headlights (!!!) hidden behind touchscreen controls, too.

You often can't even access these features from the main touchscreen menu, either — you have to navigate into sub-menus to access these features, which is extra dangerous when you're driving at 70mph and something big and gross suddenly hits your windshield and you can't quickly figure out what quadrant of your tiny screen to mash to even begin fixing that problem, or when it starts to get cloudy and rainy and you need to make sure your silver-gray sedan doesn't become completely invisible to other motorists on the highway without veering into them in the process.

There are so many problems with touchscreens. Nobody is even close to getting them right!! But I'm not even sure that it's physically possible to get them right with the technology we currently have!! According to noted automobile benchmarking firm J.D. Power, not only do these infotainment touchscreen systems suck ass, they suck the most ass out of anything else in your average consumer car:

A snippet of a press release from J.D. Power dated February 9, 2023 with the text "Infotainment systems continue to be most problematic: The infotainment category continues to be the most problematic with an average of 49.9 PP100—almost twice as many problems as the next-highest category, which is exterior. Six of the top 10 problem areas in the study are infotainment-related, including built-in voice recognition (7.2 PP100); Android Auto/Apple CarPlay connectivity (5.5 PP100); built-in Bluetooth system connectivity (4.0 PP100); touchscreen/display screen difficult to use (4.0 PP100); not enough power plugs/USB ports (3.8 PP100); and navigation system inaccurate/outdated map (3.3 PP100)."

And if you need some hard data as to how unsafe this all is, infotainment touchscreens can severely impact a driver's attention on the typical order of tens of seconds, whereas "removing eyes from the road for just two seconds doubles the risk for a crash."

Not only are these systems dangerous, it's not like you can even avoid them any more. It's becoming almost impossible to find a new or even used vehicle that doesn't have a touchscreen to control vital features of the car. I wish I had some real statistics for you here, but I can at least anecdotally tell you that I've been car shopping with two people in the last 9 months, and for any car that was less than 10 years old, not a single one of them was available without a big stupid touchscreen where a bunch of physical knobs and switches should be.

I shouldn't have to tell you how utterly absurd this whole situation is. Physical controls of vehicle features have been working fine for literally one hundred years and car manufacturers are just now fucking it up real bad for some reason. Probably because the technology simply exists, and capitalism is a nightmare machine that makes middle managers think they need to keep innovating when parts of a product are already basically perfect.

(If you ever want a great video about when to cool it with innovation, watch Brennan Lee Mulligan absolutely hit it out of the park.)

Physical knobs and controls give you haptic (touch) feedback that you're doing the right thing without looking away from the road. I can turn a knob on my car all the way to the left, and then it stops, and then I can turn another knob all the way to the right, and it stops too, and that combination of feedback means that I am 100% confident that my car will begin blasting cold air as soon as it's able to, and I didn't need to take my eyes off the road to make any of that happen. Or how about the volume knob I can literally just slap without even thinking about it if I need my music to stop instantly so I can better listen for an ambulance or emergency siren I think I might have heard, or to listen for a train at an uncontrolled railway crossing?

Well, a lot of this anger is hopefully going to become moot over the next few years, because apparently people have been complaining about this a lot, and I guess it only takes a decade for executives to remember that customers exist:

If you don't want to read the article, here's the most important bit:

A snippet from an article from the publication Slate entitled "The Glorious Return of a Humble Car Feature" by David Zipper, published April 26, 2023. The snippet reads: "Happily, there is one area where we are making at least marginal progress: A growing number of automakers are backpedaling away from the huge, complex touch screens that have infested dashboard design over the past 15 years. Buttons and knobs are coming back."

Right now, this mostly seems to be luxury brands of vehicles, which isn't great for us folks who are buying used everyman cars like the Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry, but I suspect that trickle-down features from luxury brands might actually be a real phenomenon for American vehicles, unlike trickle-down economics for American capitalism. Fingers crossed for the next 10-15 years of cars, because the last 10-15 are definitely going to be seen as a huge, gross mistake by motorists of the future.


I give you permission to stop reading this chost if you're tired of it now, since I've wrapped up my main point. But I have three addendums for those who crave additional context.

Addendum One: I actually do know of two major contributing factors for the ubiquity of touchscreen infotainment centers, and they are as follows.

  1. In 2014, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSF) announced that it would require all new cars sold in the U.S. to have backup cameras (and, of course, a screen to show the camera output on) starting in 2018. This was objectively a good rule, but lots of cars didn't have screens before this time... so, many manufacturers saw this as an opportunity to make other unnecessary changes in the light of a very necessary one.
  2. At this point in time, it is now considerably cheaper to add a shitty touchscreen into a car than it is to do proper tactile controls like knobs and switches. And wow, this sucks so bad!!!!

Addendum Two: The NHTSF has a ton of power to regulate vehicle safety stuff, and right now, they're absolutely holding their dick in their hands instead of taking any real action. I legitimately believe that this governmental organization (and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg) are criminally negligent for letting things get this bad. They could act today, or at least start to act today, and they could save tons lives. But they aren't!! So they fuckin' suck!!

Addendum Three: Yes, I'm aware that we should all be pushing for big exciting public transit projects, and that none of this should be hugely necessary in 10-15 years if there is a just god in the universe, but I'm really pulling for the small victories here, since we've had so few of them lately.


exerian
@exerian

100% accurate.
bonus points for including the cause of touchscreens.
double bonus points for acknowledging that we do need the screens but also actual buttons and knobs are important and necessary too.


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in reply to @verydragons's post:

This is why I'm putting so much money into my 2010 to keep it going strong. It gets decent gas mileage and it has physical buttons and dials and knobs. And unlike my last car, it has cruise control! I don't wanna get rid of this one!!

I'm a long way from being able to buy a car and I just know that by the time I do, the only ones I'll be able to afford are going to be badly aged touchscreenmobiles. Not looking forward to fighting a lagging android phone glued into my dashboard every day.

I wonder how much of this is also driven by market demand to support Apple CarPlay and whatever the Android version is called, I can be bothered to check? And then once you have a giant touchscreen anyway

I think it’s great that I have voice-controlled integration between my car and my phone for e.g. navigation! It’s super handy! It’s less handy that to see my radio controls I have to navigate away from the map and “launch” the Ford “app” (three taps, zero haptics) to return control of the screen to my car (and then I can’t see my map anymore, natch)

backup cameras are mandatory, so every car has to have a screen to show the backup camera video in

and then like you said, they've got a big screen anyway, and it's not that much more expensive to make it a touchscreen

i gotta say that as someone who has a carplay touch screen in their car (that was installed by the previous owner) and loves it. the only reason i enjoy it is because my car is from 2007 and has buttons to do everything i need them to do. that means the touch screen can do the only things that touch screens are good for, like show me directions. i even have the position of the skip button for audio memorized because that would be the only thing i’d actually do when driving. i still wish there would be a button for it. i think my main point here is touch screen controls are awful and legitimately the only time i don’t have an issue with them is when i almost never actually need to touch the screen while i’m driving.

car touch screens should just be small displays for showing music metadata like album covers and shit

the satnavs suck and google maps is more efficient

and physical controls SHOULD NEVER be converted to touch screen buttons

i sorely miss the three dials of "how hot, how much, and where do you want it" of climate controls.

it's funny because my car technically has the upgraded interior controls which replaces the three dials with an arguably worst button based system.

All of this. Aircraft cockpits are a superlative example of this done right. Enough so to make an entire post on in it's own right. Instead I'll just talk about the landing gear lever. Go do an image search for landing gear lever. They. All. Have. Wheels. On. No question of "have I found the right control?" Hand is on a lever with a wheel on the end, have landing gear.

You'll see similar aids on other controls throughout the cockpit. Simple, effective, enormously beneficial for a situation where you're doing an intense amount of multitasking.

One final thing. Want to be annoyed? Go look at the space X capsule controls.

I want the automotive industry to be more like aviation. Not the other way round