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lifning
@lifning

is having nostalgia for all sorts of 80s and 90s games, movies, shows, etc.

and seeing it manifest as brand worship at conventions, online discourse splitting hairs over details of the latest installment of a franchise, fans getting so excited to be drip-fed trivial fanservice with no heart of its own that it succeeds anyway

feeling the dissonance between some of your communities condemning Netflix's vocal pro-transphobia stance and others evidently willing to look past all that to promote their new scrimblo cartoon for them (unpaid)

and looking at how these are all 20+ year old properties
and just saying to yourself "...this should've been ours by now."
and cursing the name of Disney


Kayin
@Kayin

I feel very strongly that 20 years is perfect. That the media you grow up and influence you becomes the media you can grow up to make art about. Things that you grow up with are no longer a part of your cultural upbringing, which you can can then remix and play around with, and refine... Nah, now a corporation owns a part of you until the day you die.

And yeah of course you can take your influences and launder them, but why gives corporations a free ride to own culture, sucking money as a vampire? You made your money. Heck, you can STILL make your money. But back the fuck off of the people your "intellectual property" was crammed onto.


xkeeper
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in reply to @lifning's post:

The way out of this mess is to let entities like Disney keep control of their shit indefinitely, as long as they’re using it as a trademark. The second they let the trademark lapse in any way, the outdated copyrights lapse as well.

It wouldn’t get us Mickey Mouse, but who needs Mickey Mouse really? What we need is for business interests to stop infecting culture in broad ways with narrow concerns. If Mickey is their brand, fine, I guess it makes sense that I don’t get to play with Mickey, but that shouldn’t mean a century of copyright protection for every bit of schlock put to print.

in reply to @Kayin's post:

20 years or 7 years after the death of the original author, whichever happens first, imo. And that's at most. Let people make most of the money they're ever gonna make off of their own work without letting corps swoop in and scoop things up and sell their own copies, but going any further than that is just government enforced cultural monopolies.

in reply to @xkeeper's post:

The only reason I think 5 years is not enough is that as it is, it would just fuck over regular ass people and make corporations even more money

Because once the copyright is up, the idea is up for grabs and then the ones that have the most money to invest in distribution and marketing are the only ones that are going to profit off of it.

Public domain books are still being reprinted and rereleased and people still make money off of them... and by people I mean exclusively big publishing houses because nobody else has the cash to invest in reprinting a new edition of Frankenstein. And that's one thing when Mary Shelley is long dead, so what the hell does she care. Frankenstein makes money for publishers, but it's also available for other people to play with, and that's an uncontested good.

But it would be different if an independent writer had only five years to make money off of their book (which... royalties are already abysmal, so that's not a lot of money at all) before the publisher immediately reprints it and sells it without paying royalties at all. Hell, if the writer decides to self publish or go through an indie press, this is even worse: multiple publishers could swoop in and start selling the book, with a better, wider distribution that absolutely obliterates any attempt from the writer to sell their own work.

Obviously this applies to everything, not just books

Idk, the current state of things is shitty and stifling and it's pickling culture in suspended animation and I hate it, but 5 years seems too short for me. I think 20 years or until the creator's death, whichever happens first, would be a good timeframe, but I think the system needs more changes than simply getting things into the public domain faster.

When people talk about abolishing copyright completely or setting an extremely low threshold like 5 years it tells me that they're exclusively thinking about fanfiction and romhacks and mass market stuff entering the commons and not, like, "Disney or random house only have to wait 5 years before they can market their own copies of anything you write, royalty free"

Shit, at my age (30 next week, not exactly elderly) I consider something from 2017 extremely recent, current even. Sometimes that's how long it takes small productions to even start getting any attention!

I consider something from 2017 extremely recent, current even. Sometimes that's how long it takes small productions to even start getting any attention!

Oof yeah. And thinking about publishing again, most midlist authors (meaning, most authors, the ones that aren't household names or get their books in bestselling lists) make most of their income from their backlog. They publish a new book and get new readers that go back and find their previous books, buy those, etc... Five years is nothing for an author career.

Honestly before abolishing copyright we need to break down the huge corporations that continue to suck everything up and consolidating wealth and culture in very few hands

Ideally we would do away with capitalism, but oh well

Per the last bit.. I've actually often said that I don't want a society where it's easier to make a living as an artist, exactly, (honestly a fair and equitable society would probably leave room for less full-time entertainers than we currently have in the west), but rather a society where anyone has the time and resources to make art regardless of how they make a living, and I mean it, but all-but abolishing copyright before such a society exists is putting the cart before the horse I think

large corporations don't need to do that, they already can and do imitate what already exists. they don't need to blatantly copy (nevermind that anyone else can copy it too, not just them)

consider how often you open the app store and see an endless sea of clones of the same game with a new skin. copyright doesn't help that

It'd honestly be sweet if we could realistically just hold corporations to much much worse standards or like acknowledge different level of copywrite protection to allow a slower disarmament 😭

(which is why my IWBTG totally not officially licensing terms are 'I don't care what you do if you're not big enough to have an HR department)

Yeah, I would love it if copyright could not be held by corporations because corporations are not people and they don't create anything. I'm not knowledgeable enough about copyright law to know how it would work, tho

tbf "you can go from literally being born to being an actual adult in that time" is exactly why I like 20 years.

Also as someone who makes things. Corps don't need 20 years, but 5 years is such a blip on the radar that if you make something successful, say, write a YA novel, they'll be in position to just adapt around the peek of popularity and give you nothing. 20 yearish gives your IP value and gives a small creator more than a fair shot to build what they created, but said teen who grew up influenced by it, in their adult life time, can make derivative art from it