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One major group guilty of this is cis weebs, and it kind of goes in two different ways.


One weeb fiction archetype is the sexually aggressive "futanari" (a.k.a. futa), who are typically women with large penises and breasts. They may or may not have vaginas as well. Western depictions, which have become widespread in recent years, differ a bit from futanari in Japanese hentai, who are not so uniformly sexually aggressive. (I can't help but feel that widespread false ideas about trans women being sexual aggressors may have influenced this).

Weebs are often insistent that futanari have nothing to do with trans women, though even Wikipedia says, "American transgender pornography that was introduced to Japan influenced the earliest futanari works, which were drawn by artists including Kitamimaki Kei." Within many narratives, the futanari are presented as simply being born like that, and any subjects such as trans identity and gender transition are carefully avoided. This means that futanari in these cases are not really AMAB or AFAB, but assigned some type of other sex at birth. This seemingly assuages the fears of male weeb chasers that liking futanari might qualify them as gay.

In a Western online context, futanari have come to serve the role of trans woman as top, paired with an questionable insistence that these fictional women with penises have absolutely no relation to women with penises in the real world.

Another weeb fiction archetype is the "femboy", an AMAB individual with a feminine gender presentation and style of dress who explicitly is identified as a boy. This bears a close resemblance to a term previously popular in weeb culture, that of the "trap". Both of these have been used as a rough translation of "男の娘", a pun in Japanese used to describe (largely fictional) men or boys with a feminine presentation.

As with the futanari, there is often an insistence that femboys have absolutely nothing to do with trans women or transfeminine people. Unlike futanari, femboys do not represent a way to avoid being seen as gay for cis men, but rather serve as a way to fetishize feminine individuals with penises while maintaining an ability to reject trans identity outright.

In some cases, there are "border wars" of a sort, in which the classification of characters are debated hotly on the internet. One example of this is Bridget from Guilty Gear, who was historically considered by many weebs to be a canonical example of a "trap" or "femboy", but in recent years has been explicitly identified by her creators as a trans girl. In a demonstration of how many weebs wish to outright reject trans identity, numerous cis weebs online were furious at this identification of Bridget as a trans woman.

Unlike futanari, femboys are most often presented as natural bottoms, and thus in some contexts serve as a substitute for trans woman as bottom. In a Western context, particularly in the last few years, femboys and futas have often been paired up, serving as bottom and top respectively. In these narratives, there is often a strangely artificial divide enforced between these two categories, and once again there is a careful effort to avoid bringing up trans identity or gender transition. In some sense, this pairing serves as a form of t4t distorted beyond recognition, bending over backwards to avoid mentioning real issues in the real world.

None of this is to say that enjoying works with futanari or femboys is inherently bad, or that the terms are always used in problematic ways, but rather that it's worth considering how these ideas do or do not relate to the real world.


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there's this thing where erotica made by and for trans people has its own sites and erotica made ABOUT us tends to be more objectifying. in our travels, we've discovered that the non-ownvoices stuff is also often promoted by people who have an ideological commitment to never in any way connecting their audience with information about the trans community.

the labels change from year to year but the divide seems to stick around.

Is part of this divide driven by the focus on the transition vs the identity? Ie, it seems like for trans people the transition is a desire to merge external perception and internal identity, and for the chasers the identity is defined by the transition?

Yeah, honestly I used to want to be a "femboy" for most of my teenage years, and in the later years I already knew subconsciously I was a trans girl. I kept focusing on "femboy" content, until when I couldn't keep in denial anymore, when I had so much time for introspection during the pandemic, couldn't keep avoiding it.

To my understanding from a few sources(a few vids, some japanese queer ppl that used otokonoko but also didnt id as male, and a trans woman who talked to an otokonoko cafe in japan), 男の娘/otokonoko is not only men, but seems to actually be a sort of catch-all for feminine AMABs, so not only femboys but also trans women and nonbinary people who use the term. I'm not clear how widespread that is but theres some indication at least. I still would avoid using it on non-male identifying peeps anyway since it still seems like misgendering to me, but I just hesitate to repeat the idea that the term is just for male-identifying people.

Also, to be clear femboy didnt originate as a "weeb fiction archetype" unlike futanari, if thats what you were implying(wasnt sure).

But yes, theres definitely usage of those terms/concepts as a way to position certain attributes without acknowledging transness.

I think there's a lot of weird branches to this. For example, a lot of this stuff is sort of like "by magic"- like futanaris just magically having dicks or depictions of femboys just magically being completely hairless bodies, having body sizes/proportions that are much more common on AFABs*, smooth faces, etc without any indication of effort on their part(shaving, makeup, hormones, whatever) on this front. Like there's this sizable separation from choice being involved. And sometimes that plays into like "of course youre a bottom, you're destined to blah blah" weird stuff.

*Side tangent, but while there's reasonable complaints about depictions of femboys being super small so often, almost always having girly voices, etc, one thing that's interesting is I've seen several transmasc femboys mention they liked that because of this feeling of "wait, you can be tiny and very feminine and have a feminine voice and still identify as male???? omg" that they got from these characters. So the unrealistic depiction of unfaltering high levels of femininity(often because thats easier to market) sort of accidentally produced ftm affirmation, heh.

Good write up, thank you. Was weird growing up in that era and culture and slowly being exposed to the... fullness of it, I suppose.

Or to put it another way, thank fuck I grew up a bit.