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kbkbkb
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beautiful
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in a 2023 hallowstream you mentioned something like "forgetting is good" or something along the lines of forgetting is important alongside preservation and remembering (specifically in the context of archives, and internet, tying into hallowstreams being ephemeral and not put up on youtube) and i was wondering if you had readings that led you to that conclusion!

hello yes -- this is something that i think about a lot, actually, as someone who is a huge proponent of forgetful data. i've separated my answer into three parts: forgetting hallowstream, forgetting data, and data afterlives. below is a rambling essay that intermingles my own feelings about growing up online, digital recordkeeping, and how the internet became a marketing tool instead of an archive... but at the end i have a far more practical bibliography/recommended reading list.


docmatador
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also if anyone can define a "dead presidents letter" in this context that would help me


h-m-m
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kbkbkb
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thank you for thinking about digital preservation efforts and for asking questions about it! i am happy to clarify, but @h-m-m has pretty much nailed it. i can expand:


as i understand it, much of the current landscape for "digital preservation" is in either preserving born digital objects through technical means OR scanning and digitizing analog objects. both are very specific to the media format of the original object and the mode of "preservation". there are huge pros and cons to each, but i am focusing on the latter, here. i can talk about preserving born-digital objects another time, but i get at some of it in my earlier post.

dead presidents letters: this is a jab at the vast digitization efforts undertaken at places like the library of congress. it feels like a lot of money & resources get funneled into scanning & storing & sharing things like, as @h-m-m referenced, george washington's letters or his diary. i am very pro digital collections for access to collections you might not otherwise get to see! it's a balancing act. TIFFS really annoy me, though, and i'm not 1,000% sure why. typically reserved for researchers and archival purposes, TIFF file formats are popular in archival settings for their fidelity. as a result, however, they are GIGANTIC. they take so much processing power to store and maintain! it's not the standard (there is no standard and there are lots of debates about the "right" kind of file format) but it is the most unwieldy.

the cornerstone for a lot of my own work came from the paper printout of a bulletin board system (BBS) that was made by and for people with HIV/AIDS. the BBS was run from 1987 until 1990, when the sysop died. the sysop who hosted the board that board was on ran from 1984 until he died in 1991. i don't think these guys ever really imagined that their BBS stuff would be held in an archive! they were both kind of preoccupied with dying and also kind of obsessed with documenting it. computers were weird, novel, unwieldy objects and even people at the forefront of personal computer adoption were like, "okay, we can use a computer, but how do we save & store what we did here?" digital recordkeeping was still really controversial and unstable, and archivists were struggling to understand their role as stewards for digital data. so people used the tools they had available. like printers!

when the archives were closed during pandemic lockdowns, i secured a generous grant to digitize much of this collection & it's over 120GB. it took hours to download & move around on my own hardware. this doesn't count all the photos i took in archives in new york that just seem to... live on my icloud bc i don't know what to do with them that makes sense. there's some kind of poetic irony there, all these intermingling file formats and media modes and what have you and i'm trying to reconcile how i feel and think about all of it in the book i am procrastinating writing literally exactly right now.

hope this helps!!!!


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In the context of Hallowstream, at least, the lack of an accessible replay made the one that I followed very closely along with (Majora’s Mask) occupy a unique part of my brain. Like, if there WAS a replay somewhere, I probably wouldn’t ever go re-watch it, but it would give me license to mentally offload my experience with the stream. Why bother to remember something that’s currently in the palm of your hand?

Just knowing that no such replay exists forces me to occasionally re-engage with the memory in a positive way. I appreciate having been able to be there for something that ended up being so special!

Thank you for expressing all this. I have much the same feelings, though struggle to put into words and so such thoughtful words really help me place where I land (this is much of why I really like your streams).

Apologies for the following struggle to put things into words, failing to find the sort of response and questions I have.

My own desire to let things be and the conflict with having it fade for possibly forever for anyone to ever know it happened is mired in my significant memory troubles. I love to find a piece of history and know that that happened, or to have a friend tell me a story from decades ago, or to be reminded which long-deceased relative was the one that traveled the world in the 60s—but also I near-immediately, near-permanently forget these things. This applies to my own memories and stories. I'm always ruminating on this conflict, having gone through various phases of ARCHIVE EVERYTHING, now in a place where I have the photos and screenshots and chat logs I cherish, and if I had to leave it all behind but for the sd card on my phone, I know which I would take or try to write down in a notebook so I can still remember they existed, they happened.

Do you know about legacy projects? The sort a dying person makes, that a death doula would help with if need be. It can be a way to pass on something to friends and family (recipe book, music you've recorded, etc.) but also a thing for you to collect memories and reflect on your life before passing, not necessarily for others to experience, something that embodies you. There's something about the intention to put together something of yourself, or a time and place, that might be for others, might be for anyone who might find it even if that's no one, that might be for no one at all, that might be for burning once it's done.

Like, it's okay if we're gone and nothing remains, and it can be sad if that's the case when we wanted something to be remembered. It's okay if what's found and remembered is small. There are whole parts of the internet, of small communities like the BBS you've worked with, that disappear in a moment because a server is wiped. And as sad as that may be, as much as someone in the future might not get a glimpse of what it was like to exist in in that time and space, it's important and okay to forget about things. As important as it is to have memory of things, to have the world informed by a time and space existing.