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not disagreeing with the point of the post (our increasingly puritanical web sucks, even if gumroad itself also sucked) but i wanted to add a couple non-skeevy places to the list for those looking for places to share porn:

  • itch.io allows porn and, to my knowledge, has shown no sign of reversing this. it's most known for games, but people share art collections, comics, music, all sorts of stuff on there!
  • at least as far as furry art goes, the fediverse is pretty cool with this. i often get a sizable response to my porn on there, comparable to FA. i use meow.social and the furryfandom.me pixelfed and have had good experiences with both!
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Allikitti
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I think that every NSFW content creator who wants to be able to sell their material online should consider picking up HTML and building their own website, or hiring a porn-friendly web dev to do it for them. It's a necessary skill at this point.

Dead serious, Gumroad was the only worthwhile storefront IMO that openly hosted NSFW art sales. Besides Subscribestar, which isn't a storefront but a subscription model, we don't have a lot when it comes to displaying and selling physical media especially. Gumroad itself was never great for that either, tbh, but at least it was allowed.

FreeCodeCamp is where I've been trying to learn in my spare time, maybe it will help someone: https://www.freecodecamp.org/

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Allikitti
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So, this is a reasonable concern and one that I promise I didn't forget about, but honestly it's just more complicated...there are some things we just don't have as much control over. That being said!

Way I see it right now is one of three options. Keep in mind I'm US-based and I got a lot of these sites I found from this somewhat outdated Github thread.

  1. If your business is at a point where you can afford to do this, consider applying for an explicitly high-risk payment processor like Pay Diverse or Payment Cloud. This is the safest option, imo, but I'm not at a place where I feel like it's worthwhile for me to do it yet.

  2. Do research into the TOS's of free payment processors that are not Square, Paypal, and Stripe. I use Wave--yes, it has an Obscenity Clause, but there's a ton of legal grey area with what defines "obscenity" vs "erotica" that it's certainly better than the alternatives. I know there are other choices, but I haven't looked into them as deeply.

  3. Still an option: Continue operating under-the-table on a more hostile payment processor and site host, and just list NSFW items as vaguely as possible--no images, descriptions, etc. Don't link the account to your socials on that website, but you can redirect customers from your NSFW socials there, and provide examples on your socials of what the items actually are. This is...clunky. But, hey, that's the world we live in.

In terms of a concrete, proven method of connecting a payment processor of your choice to your NSFW website and the success rate of doing so without that support being pulled, that is beyond me currently. I'm no coder, really, I am only a porn artist with dreams ^^' but I'm guessing you'd have an easier time with these methods.

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LexExcel
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This makes me wonder about the possibility of someone creating a financial institution explicitly to cater to NSFW creators. Or if American Express or Discover or some other existing org could commit to freedom of expression and gain a whole new niche market.

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