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Anonymous User asked:

fuck boycotts right? who cares about the thousands of palestinians being slaughtered when you can get a funney drink from the company donating money to their murderers!

gotta be honest, McDonald's wasn't on my radar bc it's not on the BDS official list (with some research I see they mention it as a separate "organic boycott" they support from other organizations, so cool, good to know), and I never eat there normally so it makes sense I'd have missed news outside of that.

Anyway, thanks for educating me in the most cowardly and condescending possible way, you self-righteous pissant.

lorenziniforce
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i know i just put this in a comment but also mcdonalds only appeared on the "organic boycotts" list after mcdonalds malaysia (a franchisee) threw a fit about losing buisness to the boycott due to the actions of the completely seperate franchisee in Israel, where they pointed the finger at the BDS movement organization specifically. so half the reason its even on that organic boycott list is drama between a franchiser and the BDS organization itself. McDonalds corporate in the states isnt airlifting boxes of chicken sandwiches to IDF stocks or anything like that; these boycotts are based on barely anything and do literally nothing to actually affect the situation on the ground.

Instead folks end up just policing people over inconsequential shit in a deseperate attempt to prove that they're Good. Hooking their judgement of people as "good or evil" on whether they feel exactly the same way about a complex, tragic, almost continually escalating conflict over a century old, half the world away.

It's not healthy.

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Lizstar
@Lizstar

Yeah this is the thing that bothers me the most about this.

Like, if you truly believed in the fact that it was RIGHT to just attack random people online like this, you wouldn't do it anonymously. But they are. Their words hold no bite now, they're being said JUST to hurt someone, and to make them feel better about themselves.

Its rather pathetic, and it sucks too because it's about something important and tragic.

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lorenziniforce
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McDonalds only appeared on the "organic boycott" list after McDonalds Malaysia (which, like McDonalds Israel, is a seperate company from McDonalds corporate in the US) yelled and made a scene at the BDS movement organization in Malaysia because they felt like they were being unfairly hurt by the boycotts, which were in response to the actions of another franchising corporation in a different country. Like the whole thing about "mcdonalds sending food to the IDF" is specifically support given by the Israeli franchisee - it's not like corporate was airlifting boxes of nuggets from the States to Ramat David airbase.

A lot of these boycotts actually do literally nothing to hurt the Israeli government or affect the situation in any way; the Starbucks one in particular is insane because afaik Starbucks doesnt even have a presence in Israel, not even through a licensor, it's entirely based on some kind of letter sent to a union, and Howard Schultz's quiet support of organizations seen as pro-israel, when he isn't even CEO anymore

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dinodoodler03
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They tried to take down the starbucks union because of their pro palestinian stance. Idk why you want to be this much of a defender of these large corpos who lobby against our existance, even denouncing the boycotts. They are doing shit. That's why they're banning tiktok.
Tired of people being like "fuck corporations and eat the rich" when it comes to queer issues but not for issues with black and brown and indigenous people. It comes off fake as hell.

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lorenziniforce
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that is a massive exaguration of the situation. but honestly, the way people are talking about the I/P conflict is. kind of increasingly completely divorced from reality.

i dont want to get into a huge argument about this but like. The conflict so much more complicated that that, is absolutely not reducible simply into a "white settlers vs brown indigenous people" framework (race in the middle east does not work like how it does in the US, and the whole history of the question of "are jews (or for that matter arabs) white" is massively fraught and complicated in itself - as is the history of Israel, how many Israelis had no other choice but to migrate there, and how many were born there, or how the actions of other states in the region inflamed and worsened the situation as much as American support for Israel did. (egypt, lebanon, syria, saudi arabia, and even jordan to a degree are... not very nice to palestinians today, even!)

i'm frustrated with the boycotts because they take up such an enormous amount of time and energy online with people yelling about them, but they're mostly lashing out at companies that barely even have ties with Israel, and are extremely tangential to the conflict. Not buying a frappucino doesn't do one iota to stop factories in Israel from pumping out artillery shells to shell Gaza with, and the idea that boycotting almost completely unrelated companies is an effective method of "fighting back" is a bizzare brainworm that needs to be shaken out of people.

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dinodoodler03
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I'm not the one who asked that but as white settlers on stolen land I don't think we should waste our energy pointing out how someone told us not to get the apartheid slushie and instead idk do some organizing and speak out against this bullshit? I know it can be a bit exhausting but why spend energy dissing the movement?

And don't call this shit complex, it is colonization, apartheid and genocide in its truest form that very much does have an impact on us because OUR POLICE, THE SAME ONES TARGETING THE QUEER COMMUNITY HERE, ARE TRAINING WITH THE IOF.

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lorenziniforce
@lorenziniforce

it is extremely fucking complex. i'm sorry but the israel/palestine situation is genuinely extremely complicated and simplifying it into direct parralels with age of sail colonization is actively harmful to understanding what's happening.

also. i'm not american. don't make the assumption that i am. the american police isn't "my" police.

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