illuminesce

Queer indie dev. Kinda feral.

I co-run a video game cooperative called Studio Terranova with @mabbees.


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WobblyPython
@WobblyPython

Just think about how many times the internet could be a better place if some dickhead mod didn't say "Well TECHNICALLY he didn't do anything WRONG." like social spaces are the text of a Magic: the Gathering card.

No. Throw the guy out.


Beancatte
@Beancatte
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xkeeper
@xkeeper
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Lizstar
@Lizstar

I have a similar rule on my spaces. I think I stole the wording from authorblues, but my exact wording is

"Rule Zero: Don't make me want to ban you"

Kinda a fun little way to say "I ban whoever I want even if you never broke any real rules"

....Now I just gotta get more into the energy of actually using that rule and not feeling bad about banning assholes lmao, that's the real hard part


lexyeevee
@lexyeevee

and it might be the post i still get the most people thanking me for writing (by which i mean, like, two a year)

but i think nowadays it would be much shorter and clearer. "don't be a dick" is kind of fuzzy and context-sensitive, after all

my current rule zero is don't make the space worse


illuminesce
@illuminesce

Thinking a lot about this as I try to make the Terranova server better and friendlier.


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in reply to @WobblyPython's post:

I have had way too much experience with being the first person to realize vibes are rancid and bail (or split the IRC channel) long before everyone else finally catches up to the same conclusion.

You can tell someone's tendencies LONG before they actually test the waters enough to think they can get away with the bannable thing, it turns out.

I was in a community for seven years that kept letting jerks post until they crossed enough lines to be banned, only to give them a "second chance" after a few months because they claimed to have changed. Second chances turned into third and fourth. I'm so glad I left and I got involved in other communities which ultimately led me to the communities I'm into today surrounded by great peeps.

I still talk to a small handful of those peeps and occasionally they'll vent about dudes who keep being jerks and it's like the same dudes from fifteen years ago. I have no idea how they all have put up with that for so long. You don't need toxic people in your spaces; it's okay.

in reply to @Beancatte's post:

in reply to @xkeeper's post:

pre-exodus neogaf was not a perfect forum by any means, but one thing i liked about it was a few of the mods learned at some point during gamergate that this kind of boundary-testing nonsense is Hostile Posting and does not need to be entertained if it isn't specifically breaking a rule; you can just ban someone the instant they start Just Asking Questions and everything keeps moving along perfectly fine.

It's kinda wild to me that the Goonstation moderation team is legitimately really good at it, but they are. I think it almost helps that because of the nature of the game they can define it in terms of what sort of jerkish behavior is acceptable and then exclude all else.

But like, every experience I've had with them - even the ones where they're telling me to knock it off, which I'll admit have happened - has ultimately been a good one.

as one of the admins/developers there are definitely times i have seen some bad bans handed out, but for the most part things are done well

it pisses off the funny gamer word people on r/ss13, too, which is nice

in reply to @Lizstar's post:

"Now I just gotta get more into the energy of actually using that rule and not feeling bad about banning assholes lmao, that's the real hard part" Yeahhhhhh this part has definitely been the rough part at times for the team i am on (very much inclusive of myself). But things tend to fester hard if we don't and i think we've learned that the hard way.

Not that there aren't other problems where unrelated people think we ought to have given somebody more chances. Or too many chances or are taking too long to deliberate bc we don't want to be just reacting emotionally sometimes and actually make sure of things. This one also backfires sometimes because it can involve trying to talk ourselves down and sometimes that works when it maybe shouldn't have and we regret it. Or very unfortunate fallout from needing to take action against someone's friend/partner when that someone is very well behaved.

Moderation is messy

in reply to @lexyeevee's post:

in reply to @illuminesce's post:

in this one discord server i'm in, they just let these two guys have a massive fight in the chat. like, they were throwing vile language and writing like several paragraphs a message. one of the moderators was like "guys please be nice ^_^" and that was it, they just kept going. idk why i'm still in it if they allow that kind of behavior πŸ’€