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“I don’t think the relationship between two teen girls who long for a single touch between them is gay enough” do you people hear yourselves
Is it just the fact that they didn't make out sloppy style on screen, even though that's not even a thing het couples in gundam are really ever shown doing
i think this is almost definitely the thing, since i get the vibe that for a LOT of people this was their first gundam. so they werent primed going in to know that....isnt really the vibe lol
not their fault. they probably got recommended the show along the veins of "it's yuri! the girls are gay! and theres robots i guess" and didn't have proper expectations
tbh i wasnt even expecting wedding rings. i was MAYBE expecting a wedding scene but even that felt kinda like a stretch lol
though ALSO also. that just tells me these people havent watched enough yuri either hahahahah
there are so many emotional beats about their growing relationship that are elided and pushed offscreen in favor of meetings with nested space cop organizations. suletta and miorine spend so much time apart! suletta's 'character development' is from 'i am going to codependently people-please and self-sacrifice' to 'i am going to people-please and self-sacrifice.' there is no bonding between the two over shared loss of parents, no apology for mio's betrayal. whether it's gay enough, whatever -- it's not an interesting gay relationship, it's a perfunctory one which lacks depth and room to breathein the endless Procession of Proper Nouns that cour 2 decided was more important.
"there are so many emotional beats about their growing relationship that are elided and pushed offscreen in favor of meetings with nested space cop organizations."
it's a gundam show, it can't be 100% focused on the relationship at all times. gundam is a franchise which is, at its best, built on space politics, so it's not as if G-witch wasn't going to have this stuff.
"suletta and miorine spend so much time apart!"
that's actually fair, i think the story as-presented works but i wouldn't have complained about them spending more time together.
"suletta's 'character development' is from 'i am going to codependently people-please and self-sacrifice' to 'i am going to people-please and self-sacrifice.'"
ok i just straight-up don't get this one. yes, Suletta does seem like she's going for the sacrifice play at the end, but she's doing it because of what SHE wants. she's not just taking on all the shit work at Earth House because she's worried they'll hate her if she's not useful or anything, she has an active desire for a life with Miorine and for her family to no longer be tangled up in this awful shit. this is why she calls herself a "greedy person"; she's accepted that it's ok for her to want things, that she won't be instantly punished for desiring something that's outside the bounds of her usefulness as a tool for Prospera, and that's why she can act against her in pursuit of the life she desires. and the show rewards her for that!! it's great!!
"there is no bonding between the two over shared loss of parents"
and? why is it necessary that they have to hit that beat together? i agree that it's a connection between the two you could mine for a lot of drama, but there's plenty they bond over besides this.
"no apology for mio's betrayal"
there's not an explicit "i am sorry for doing [thing]", "i forgive you for [thing]", but this is literally what the reunion scene was all about. Miorine talks about not wanting to make any more mistakes (Quinnharbor, pushing Suletta away, giving Prospera control of QZ) and Suletta forgives her, saying that she understands that Miorine has made mistakes, but that now the only thing she can do is move forward. we also saw Suletta realising what Miorine did to her and coming to terms with it two episodes earlier, which is why Suletta is able to be relatively chill about it, and just tell Mio that she made a mistake and the best she can do is try to fix it. this sticks with Miorine so profoundly that she even repeats it to Sabina three years later in the epilogue. there absolutely is a reconciliation for that arc.
"it's not an interesting gay relationship, it's a perfunctory one which lacks depth and room to breathein the endless Procession of Proper Nouns that cour 2 decided was more important."
while i agree that cour 2's pacing is pretty much fucked, especially in the back half, i really don't get how you come out the other end thinking that Suletta and Miorine's relationship was ruined by it. frankly, my tolerance for cour 2's flaws mostly hinges on the fact that they absolutely nailed Suletta and Miorine's relationship, which has always been the backbone of the series. the idea that it was perfunctory or shallow just doesn't scan if you're willing to extend the show one iota of benefit of the doubt and look at the subtext rather than just the literal things happening onscreen
i understand your position; i think that treating me as if i am not extending "one iota of the benefit of the doubt" is extremely uncalled for, and is itself not extending "one iota of the benefit of the doubt" to a person who disagrees with you. there is absolutely no need.