jckarter

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the swift programming language is my fault to some degree. mostly here to see dogs, shitpost, fix old computers, and/or talk about math and weird computer programming things. for effortposts check the #longpost pinned tag. asks are open.


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Happy monday, coposters! As is fitting to cap off a big week, we also had a big weekend!

As a reminder, there are three full-time employees here; we do not currently have the staffing to be on-call 24/7 unless there is a time-sensitive crisis. Our office hours are Monday through Friday, 6am-6pm PST (jae’s the only one awake for those first few hours). We also take off holidays — one of these is coming up this Friday, which is Veteran’s Day, a US federal holiday. If you email us on a weekend, we won’t see it until Monday at the earliest!

Terms of Use Update

We are aware of some critique of our terms of use that was floating around this weekend. There were a few valid concerns raised, and we’re taking them to our lawyer1 this morning to get the terms clarified. We’ll update y’all once that’s done.

Minor Trust and Safety Update

We have made a change this morning to prevent shares of posts from showing up in a tag search. This is a change to reduce the risk of harassment from someone sharing a post, adding tags, and thereby causing it to appear in tag searches that the OP didn’t want it to appear in. We acknowledge that this is a quick fix and are open to making adjustments down the road.

Activation Queue Length

Up until our big sign-up surge last week, we had been able to clear out the entire activation queue (usually 100-300 people per day) each business day.

The activation queue currently sits at around 30k users. Astute readers will recall that this is only 8k less than the total number of users we had in our last financial update.

We will not be activating all 30k of you today; sorry. We plan to activate 1k at a time roughly every work hour so that we can keep an eye on site performance and the support backlog. We’re hoping to have everyone posting soon!

On that note…

Soon Hiring

The core assumption we’d been running cohost under has been “we can’t afford to hire more people right now, but we also don’t really need more people. when we need someone, we should be able to afford them.”

We’re ambivalent to report that we now need someone, and we think we can afford them! We will be posting a job listing for a Customer Support Operations Lead (actual title pending) early this week.

Our absolute biggest blocker to scaling up to sustainability is our support and moderation load. We know from experience that a lot can be done to lessen the overall load, but we don’t have any clue how! So we want to hire someone who does. This role’s primary responsibilities will be around defining better support processes and improving our first-touch automation so we can reduce the human workload required. Most of our support tickets have to do with the same dozen or so questions, and we shouldn’t have to manually handle every single one of those.

We’ll have the listing up soon (probably tomorrow), but until then PLEASE DO NOT pre-emptively send us your résumé, application, or throw your name in the hat. We will lose it, because we don’t have any way to track it yet. We’ll post again when it’s actually up. A few important bullet points to set expectations:

  • Starting pay will be $87,285/year, the same as every other employee, adjusted annually for cost of living; this is non-negotiable. Benefits include 13 company holidays (plus 5 floating holidays), 3 weeks of paid time off per year, unlimited sick time, and full reimbursement for a “gold”-level marketplace health/vision/dental plan, pre-tax up to the legal limit for a QSEHRA.
  • After a year candidacy period, we will vote to make you a 1/4 owner of anti software software club LLC; this won’t be a monetary windfall but does signify that you have equal control over the future of the company with the rest of us.
  • We’re a 100% remote company, but to keep our legal and regulatory situation manageable right now, candidates must be located in the United States and have the legal ability to work here. Unfortunately, we do not currently have the resources to assist with visas.

That’s all for now! Thanks for using cohost! :eggbug:


  1. yes, we do in fact have a lawyer! an hour of their time costs almost as much as a day of ours, so we try to only involve them when necessary, but they did write our current terms of service and have helped us work out issues raised by our users in the past.


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in reply to @staff's post:

Thing is, no matter how many new users join, your own feed is still going to be comprised of people you're following and things they share, and unfollowing is painless. Seems like this would mitigate the effect of new users on cohost culture.

as a birdsite migrant who's aware of the whole concept of eternal september, i actively try to avoid contributing to that

but then again, it'll end up being 20k original users 40k twitter users, so I suppose that's going to be a Fun time

Thanks for the update! I’m glad you’re getting the TOU reviewed — not just for our sake as users, but for yours as well. People out there are petty and I wouldn’t want them taking advantage of you because of a typo.

Terms of Use Update

If one user's thoughts are useful: I didn't see the exact TOS discourse but I did read over the TOS myself this weekend, and the one thing that concerned me most was that the IP license on content posted to the site-- in addition to being simply much broader than is needed-- is "irrevocable". By my non-lawyer's read, this actually makes Cohost's TOS IP provisions slightly worse than Facebook's, since (again per my read) you can terminate Facebook's license to your content by deleting your account. Ideally I should at least be able to revoke Cohost's license to a piece of content by deleting the specific content from the site.

(The TOS wording against using Cohost for "any commercial purpose" also seems to me kind of humorously overbroad, I definitely plan at some point to use my Cohost to promote my business because my business makes video games and that is cool and interesting. But that's not so bad because the worst case scenario there is something I posted gets moderated— maybe a part of me even personally approves of Cohost moderators having expansive powers to police commercial activity that Brings The Vibe Down— whereas the worst case scenario with an IP license is Cohost or its assets get purchased at some point in the future and someone with potentially bad intent now holds a infinitely-broad commercial license to art I posted here.)

I don't know how this would be possible given reshares and quotes, though. If another user reshares or quotes content you posted and then you revoke cohost's license to it, now cohost and that other user are in violation, aren't they?

For many sites that would be a real concern, but from what I've seen there's actually a feature on Cohost where if you comment-reshare another user's post and then that user deletes their post, the post content is replaced with "[deleted]".

Now, I don't know about the case of

  • Image gets used in post
  • Post gets deleted
  • Post is no longer available, but image is still hosted on Cohost server
  • Image URL has been <img src>ed or otherwise distributed outside Cohost in the meantime

especially since afaik people are intentionally attaching images to drafts and then deleting the drafts because it's the best way to get an image hosted on Cohost's server where it can be <img src>ed in another post. But I am not Cohost's lawyer so I don't know how to balance those concerns, I'm just saying what I think the ideal situation would be.

I don’t know what the longterm goal is like, but I think it’s worth comparing to Tumblr, where posts created by accounts deactivated years ago continue to circulate. It’s possible staff were thinking about that or even planning for it. It’s a circumstance where you absolutely do need a perpetual license.

That queue! Exciting but terrifying!

Please take as much time as you need to get things stable, both on a technical and social level. Better that people wait a little longer to get on the site, than for things to spiral wildly out of control.

Also, good to hear about the ToS! Nothing about the way y'all have been running the site has suggested to me that you'd be misusing it, but it's still good to have things clarified.

i won't make any specific claims without consulting the rest of the team, but from where i'm standing, at the very least don't let that self select you out of sending us your materials when that time comes. we understand that different people have different needs! basically my TLDR is that you should let US decide if that's a dealbreaker, not you, if that makes sense

Appreciate that unmodified shares don't show up on tag pages. Harassment concerns aside, it's convenient to be able to tag shares to organize them on my own page without them clogging up the tag for everyone else.

thanks as always for this thorough and transparent update! that's all great news.

given the ideals of anti software club, allow us to strongly suggest making that job title something which is not uh... which is not narrow in the way that many job titles, such as "tech support" and "community manager" are. something which conceives of itself as being open ended and covering any gaps that aren't formally somebody else's job. something along the lines of "ombudsbeing" or something, something that's about the needs of the public rather than the needs of the company.

it's in a sense silly to worry about words that much, but names do matter, every name is also a binding and all that. being thoughtful about words now can set the tone for what happens down the line.

if you regard this as abstract puffery, we respect that, but this happens to be a topic we've thought about before so we thought we'd share our experience. do with it what you will. <3

Throwing in our agreement with Irenes here. We've done this sort of "wearing many hats" position in the past, and it definitely helps to have a job title representative of that.

Personally, having seen the critique of the TOS, I found it to be in extremely bad faith, especially since it came from a competitor whose own TOS are guilty of things they accuse you of.

I think most of us understand it's hell for American companies to turn "If you make a post we're allowed to show it on our site and to moderate it" into Lawyer-friendly verbiage that doesn't sound terrifying.
How the team behaves is much better predictor of the site's trajectory than a TOS that throws every overly board clause it can at the wall just in case.

We have made a change this morning to prevent shares of posts from showing up in a tag search.

Thank you SO much for that, that was really bothering me. Now I can feel free to share and tag away without clogging up tags or putting OP's post into tags they don't want it in!

With shares showing up under tags, this seems to affect replies too, which means you basically can't find a reply without following the profile of the person who posted it. I feel like tags are a main way people find stuff so would it make sense to have replies also show up under the tags of the original post (or maybe if the OP and the reply use the same tag only then does it show up)? Not sure if this makes sense.

Fingers crossed that everything continues to run smoothly with Cohost and you all are able to scale the site and keep it running smoothly. I really want this site to succeed. Pretty excited about the whole thing and being here, in on the ground floor, while it's still pretty new.

I'm looking forward to the ToS clarifications if it's about the contents and ownership, because the way it's worded makes it sound a certain kind of way, and I highly doubt that's your guys' real intent at all. I'm gonna see how that develops since it's a bit of a concern to me as an artist, but I'm keeping good faith because I've been liking this site so far, staff seem like fine people, and I would love for it to succeed. Best of luck. 🙏