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jae @jkap12/23/2022, 5:05 PM

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jae @jkap12/23/2022, 3:59 PM

i’ve actually seen view counts on tweets and honestly it is such an unimaginably bad idea. it is going to create a whole new suite of Problems for people who have a dependence on numbers for validation/self-worth/etc. it’s actively harmful imo.

like the reason we don’t have Numbers is because we consider them to be harmful and not how you build a healthy community. when we (eventually) roll out Metrics for people who depend on them to run their business (creators who derive their income from Posting), they will be opt-in and deliberately convoluted to access; no front-and-center numbers.

although i guess for twitter’s goals (maximize engagement), adding cognitohazardous numbers is a good idea. it’s almost certainly gonna work for the people it doesn’t disgust enough for this to be their Last Straw. bad website.

jae @jkap12/23/2022, 4:18 PM

ALSO for twitter users: this is the CSS you want to drop into a userstyle to hide the view count:

div:has(> a[href*="analytics"]) {
    display: none !important;
}

formatted using the excellent codehost by @wavebeem

EDIT: i forgot that :has() doesn't have support in firefox. firefox users.... y'all are own your own

DOUBLE EDIT: from @thricedotted in the comments:

firefox users aren't totally SOL — in 103+, :has() can be enabled by going to about:config and setting layout.css.has-selector.enabled to true

so go do that

Erica @erica12/23/2022, 5:00 PM

alternately: go install Twitter Demetricator for any of the major browsers. it will wipe all metrics from the site. i refuse to accept any twitter experience other than this one because numbers are poison.

https://bengrosser.com/projects/twitter-demetricator/

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Clown Goddess Eve @thatclowngoddess12/23/2022, 4:01 PM

Big agree, I hate them. Like twitter needed to be more anxiety inducing lol

Yseult @yseult12/23/2022, 4:03 PM

what about for people that enjoy seeing the numbers go up, but aren't bothered by seeing them stay at zero?

jae @jkap12/23/2022, 4:10 PM

that's great for them! they can use a different website. that is one of the few use-cases we will never support.

KT @snailbed12/23/2022, 4:03 PM

I appreciate that y’all are doing what you can to minimize the inherent harm of social media on this platform

Ahkvenir @Ahkvenir12/23/2022, 4:04 PM

Cognitohazard! Yes! That is exactly how I describe the majority of Internet Behavior to my friends. It's the non-anomalous version of an idea that is harmful to your mind

delta △ iasmin omar ata @deltahead12/23/2022, 4:08 PM

for what it's worth, on here every like, share, and comment feels special, at least to me! because the community is smaller and numbers aren't the priority, it really does make every interaction feel genuine, and it makes me happy, instead of making me feel anxious like most other platforms do.

jae @jkap12/23/2022, 4:12 PM

part of why we have Comments as well is we want to have discussion not be Front and Center on everyone's feeds (we think that's also bad for its own reasons) and it also definitely helps with interactions feeling genuine imo. there's a couple product design things that i kind of think we nailed and comments (conceptually, there's some improvements we can make for UX and etc) are one of them

Mr. Hands @mrhands12/23/2022, 4:39 PM

You probably had a good reason for not doing this, but I wish I could respond to comments with an emoji. Because sometimes, all I really have to add to the conversation is ❤

jae @jkap12/23/2022, 4:40 PM

big fan of :yeah: for this (we haven't fully ruled out comment likes but we're not sure how we want to go about it yet)

delta △ iasmin omar ata @deltahead12/23/2022, 4:43 PM

agreed that yall nailed it with the comments, it all feels very cozy and like there's more of a community. thanks for all your hard work!!

Froey @froey12/23/2022, 4:15 PM

The views number on Twitter is a HUGE turn off for me, fuckin hate it. (x- x)

Gay Eminem on 9/11 @DecayWTF12/23/2022, 4:21 PM

The horrible behaviors people are going to start engaging in to get their view counts up are going to be something to behold. From a safe distance.

URGENT TOOTH @TOOTH-THEY12/23/2022, 6:11 PM

Very very happy that this post comes from a member of staff, yall run a good website, thank you for all that you do.

Plum @plumpan12/23/2022, 9:52 PM

cognitohazard is a cool word I wish it wasn't a terrible no good thing

Céleste ΘΔ&@pinkie12/23/2022, 10:46 PM

as one of the aforementioned people for whom this was the last straw, i really appreciate the lack of Numbers too! especially, and this is a subtle thing, the way that stacked notifications just display 'several people' instead of giving you an exact number front and centre; those sorts of things really do go a long way towards making this a site that i feel comfortable and happy talking to others on, which unfortunately for social media at large is a rather rare and special feat

in reply to @jkap's post:

li (implied)@thricedotted12/23/2022, 4:31 PM

firefox users aren't totally SOL — in 103+, :has() can be enabled by going to about:config and setting layout.css.has-selector.enabled to true

jae @jkap12/23/2022, 4:42 PM

oooh thank u

Vergil @Vergiliaux12/23/2022, 4:58 PM

when we (eventually) roll out Metrics for people who depend on them to run their business (creators who derive their income from Posting), they will be opt-in and deliberately convoluted to access; no front-and-center numbers.

I appreciate this. I'm autistic and like my data, but I also don't want Getting Seen™️ rotting my brain again. I also enjoy having folks sticking around because they genuinely like my content instead of, say, rallies to follow XYZ and I might not be somebody's cup of tea down the line (which is fine).

Dervish @irkeneon12/23/2022, 5:35 PM

I'm really thankful for co-host not including like, share, or follow count, that seems a lot more likely to be the detriment of social media where it becomes a popularity contest

lydia aka DYKE TYSON @lydia12/23/2022, 6:17 PM

One more; if you're a ublock origin user on firefox, the filter twitter.com##a[href*="analytics"] should also work for removing Evil Number

rachel @wholemilk12/23/2022, 6:31 PM

just popped into twitter for the first time in a while and CHRIST that's AWFUL I can feel it doing horrible things to my brain!! I am Soothed coming back here....mmmmmm

Jessica @ticky12/23/2022, 6:32 PM

god, thank you, what a shitty feature

あれく @bitto12/23/2022, 10:51 PM

for ublock users you can also use twitter.com##article[tabindex="-1"] a[href$="/analytics"]:upward(2) and twitter.com##a[href$="/analytics"]:upward(1) if you want to avoid :has()

Elon Musk @Elon12/25/2022, 11:42 PM

YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!!

in reply to @erica's post:

matthew r.f. baloušek @mrfb12/23/2022, 5:23 PM

bless you for this extension

@RaynarBrusk12/24/2022, 2:01 AM

I tried the demetricator but couldn't figure out how to get it to leave the reply count, which is genuinely useful information because I can see if a tweet has replies before clicking on it to see the replies.

Erica @erica12/24/2022, 2:53 AM

There's an option to add a little dot next to notifications that have a number higher than 0, specifically for this instance of letting you know there are replies.

KamiKat_2012 @KamiKat-201212/25/2022, 4:10 PM

I don't want it to hide the number of replies in a tweet though...

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