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Ugly photo of the mostly complete deviceI've got a problem with half-finishing projects and losing interest, then never coming back to complete them enough for a good write up. So I guess i'd call this post a bit of a post-mortem even though I got a couple rolls of fresh APS film out of it, and could in theory make more. It's just not as sustainable as I was hoping.

A spread of camera garbageAPS film was a photographic film format from the 90s that it seems everyone agrees sucked for one reason or another, except for the thousands of consumers that bought as many cameras during its heyday. Since the film has been out of production for years, ebay is full of the now unwanted tiny and cool cameras. It feels like a great untapped resource in a way that's bothered me for a while.


film length for 15, 25, and 40 frame APS rolls. they line up well with the usual 35mm roll lengthsReloading empty cassettes seemed possible, and turned out was. But the issue is finding empty cassettes to begin with. A feature of the format was returning the processed negatives in the same cassette it was sold in, which means that there's no reliable source of empty ones other than to buy what's left of expired (and increasingly expensive) unused film.

these were useful for storing exposed rolls at leastThey did make special replacement cassettes for occasions where the originals were damaged during processing, but for some reason chose to make them out of translucent plastic. Which is a bad omen but more on that later.

toolz. drawing the logo was kinda dorkysurprisingly easy to do in the dark, tooThere's stuff elsewhere online about opening APS cartidges to extract the film, or details about how the format works, so i'll skip most of that. There's of course actual tools they produced to do this stuff but they're not always available or affordable.

My method to extract the film the film is to fully unwind, hold the spindle at a particular position with the Thing, and then shove the metal tongue in under the emulsion side. The film tends to guide it to the right place, and then the film can be slipped out.

To re-insert film the orange thing is used. The original and nicer version broke and this one was made in a hurry with a lighter and knife. It's funny how reliably it works. You sorta just push the film in and then the tabs on the spindle guide it into place.

it made sense at the time. i even wrote a little card with the instructions on it lolive never owned a drone. the UK restricts the fun frequencies that can penetrate foliage and im too scared of HAM radio guys to risk violating thatSo the first attempt at cutting new film was with this device. It worked but not as well as i'd have liked. To minimize handling of the easily scratched film I tried to do every step in the one contraption, while also indexing punched fame holes visually with a sort of DIY night vision made from drone FPV stuff and a sleep mask.

i'm trying not to make excuses for myself. its unbecoming. but i'm sorry i dont have a photo of this thing being made, or outside of the device its entombed inThe punch, seen here from below, is made from a bit of case hardened 2mm square mystery steel from ebay. And the die from a chunk of steel filed to shape with about a 1.8mm hole first drilled in to remove the most of the material, a larger hole underneath to relieve it, and then carefully enbiggened with a tiny cold chisel made from more of that case hardened 2mm square steel, and finally by tapping the punch itself through. The die is then also case hardened and ground down a bit on top to produce a sharper edge.

Case hardening is a useful technique but i've only ever had success with a mix of ground charcoal and potassium ferrocyanide, supposedly replicating the old out of production (theme of this post) Kasenit compound. It seems plausible it could liberate cyanide gas at high temperatures however so precautions apply.

despite how silly it looked, i do like how adjustable it wasThis contraption had alot of problems but the real one was this style of slitter. Even with the blades adjusted to just barely cut it still left a wavy edge from the blade squashing the film sideways. The bit for trimming the tail of the film was also not so great. You can buy "APS Reshapers" on ebay occasionally; devices that punch the tail or leader shape out to repair any damage during processing. Waiting for one of those to show up would be the way to go, but old out of production equipment wasn't in the Sustainable Spirit of what I was hoping for with this project.

weird to post a photo of ikea but every other shot on the 40 frame roll was either blurry at night or of a drab white wall. i was kinda filling it out in a hurry since i wasnt sure if itd work at allDespite that the thing was capable of producing a roll of film, but it got a bit tight winding the last bit into the cassette. I figured that was due to the wavy edge increasing the width of the film, since normal current production 35mm film measures the same thickness as the APS film at least as closely as I can measure with a micrometer. So I started making a 2nd different contraption.

the inner one was fine tuned with wet and dry paper stuck to a granite tile i like to pretend is flatthe outer one is held together with loctite and rubber reinforced cyanoacrylatethis photo was taken just advancing it by hand. the holes are approximately spacedthe gear ratio was supposed to make the steps align nicely with millimeters advanced but, naturally, i got it wrong. there's also supposed to be an exit scoop that guides the film out, but for testing it was better to be able to see whats happening insideContraption 2 has more of a rotating scissors/ pasta maker sort of slitter, which produces a much better cut but is maybe more difficult to make even with a lathe. It's alot of surfaces to try keep parallel and perpendicular between setups.

The other idea with this machine was to index the punched holes using a stepper motor against the 35mm film's existing sprocket holes, as well as it being a good way to draw the film through the slitter.

It worked okay. I think the design needs more work to make it hook onto the sprocket teeth more reliably. And maybe even a motor on the punch so the whole thing can be automatic and ran in the dark without the stupid goggles. This version was made to a deadline that was approaching alarmingly fast, but worked well enough in the end. Although it was still a bit stiff winding the last bit into the cassette.

the photos in this post were taken with a Fuji Fotonex 1000ix. it's a neat tiny camera but i hate that it defaults to flash mode every time you open itžižkov tv tower! i gotta admit i don't care for the silent hill babies. they'd be cool on a more boring buildingim not much of a Street Photographer. it makes me feel like an idiot assholeThe deadline was a trip to Prague to meet a friend. First time I've ever left the UK too. My Prague Review: good public transit, i'm allergic to beer, the buildings look like videogames but not the ones i like.

the rougher edges of my cut film probably dont help matters. i'm not sure if the cassette would work with the cups removed since i think their purpose is to grab the front edge of the film as its pushed out of the cassette, otherwise it'd be like trying to push 35mm out of its cassette by spinning the spindle - it gets all doubled up and mangled at the tailBut yeah the real problem with APS is the cassettes just wear out lol. When the film goes in its pushed over those flexible plastic cups, and what I suspect is happening is the rubbing slowly creates little grooves in the plastic, that then catch further and become bigger grooves till eventually the thing just collapses under the film and gets mangled.

From reading about the format, the conclusion i've come with is that it's main purpose as a product was to rip off photo labs. All the major film manufacturers got together, realising that film was on its last legs, and decided to come up with a new format that would demand photo labs buy new expensive processing equipment to stay in business. Equipment that they'd never be able to recoup the costs from as film sales tapered off.

It's easy to start reading every aspect of the film in bad faith once you decide it was up to no good. Film not processed with the correct machinery (no data written to the mysterious magnetic layer) will cause alot of the various home peripherals to report errors. None of the cameras made for it feel particularly feature complete compared to 35mm equivalents. Maybe the film was only returned in the cassette to deliberately make it difficult to reload or to use film from lesser manufacturers, like a kind of DRM measure. It feels plausible when the only empty spare cassettes made were deliberately not light-proof.

the dream was to push cinestill to 3200 iso because it'd be funnyOnly the SLRs seem to let you change the film speed settings, and only a couple of the point and shoots let you change the exposure compensation. It's a problem with expired film generally needing to be down rated in speed to get better exposed images.

Only way to change that would be to reprint the "Optical IX" barcode things on the bottom of the cassettes. I figure they're 13 bits read based on how thick each Wedge is, with each wedge alternating in reflective or not, and always a total of 5 wide wedges and 8 narrow ones to balance it out. I had some success making new stickers of known codes with hot foiling techniques, even though the paper I ordered was a bit too textured for a good even Foiling. But I wasn't able to figure out any kind of pattern with the codes outside of the first 3 digits defining the frame count. Either i'm dumb or i'd need a bigger sample.

40@000-NA   001 01011 01000   FUJI SPARE CARTIDGE
25@100-CN   010 10110 00001   KODAK ADVANTIX 100
25@200-CN   010 00011 00011   KODAK ADVANTIX 200
40@200-CN   001 00011 00011   AGFA APS STAR
25@400-CN   010 10011 00001   FUJI NEXIA 400
25@800-CN   010 00111 00001   FUJI QUICKSNAP 800*
25@400-BW   010 10001 10100   KODAK ADVANTIX 400 B&W

15@200-CN   100 00011 00011  

*from a disposable camera, only source of an 800iso roll 
 I could find at short notice. but trying to replicate  
 this made every camera it was tried in VERY upset. 

I think this covers the most of what I did. Here's a messy Sketchup file with the contraption that kinda works. I imagine it's too idiosyncratic to be much use to anyone, but it does have some reasonably accurate dimensions of the APS film itself.

Oh and I kinda ignored the magnetic layer. It's transparent somehow, supposedly, and I got no idea how that works. But I don't think there's much you could do with it now except for changing out film mid-roll and having it remember the last exposed frame. The rest of the features were mostly just to tell photo labs which tacky 90s method to ruin your prints with.

But yeah, without a good source of empty cassettes i'm not sure how seriously i'm gonna continue this. What i've got works Good Enough for the occasional roll. Plus y'know how these things go; most of the interest is just having a bunch of Stuff to look at and read about all day and that is the True Unsustainable Resource.


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APS is a really cool idea that caused me to groan audibly any time someone dropped off a roll for development back when I worked the photo counter at cvs.

Even for commercial-grade bigass machines, you have to transfer the film into a temporary APS canister, and then after it's developed & printed put it back in the original cartridge, it was a huge pain in the ass and at some point our darkbox developed a light leak so it became even more harrowing.

I bought one of those things! A Fujifilm DT 100. It's the only bit of APS processing equipment I actually own since it was listed very cheap, but not with the matching film loading cassettes. Those are listed elsewhere but a bit more than i'd want to pay... and i'm also not sure if i'd have a real use for it. Could be gentler on the cassette spindles than the big wedge of steel i've been using to get the film out...

But yeah i'm not sure I get why they needed the temporary intermediate canister. I feel like pushing it through the velvet is just another opportunity to scratch the film. Maybe it's just so the actual processing machines don't need a complicated attachment to get the film out and feed it? Actually something I don't know is if the same machine and film path through it was used for multiple formats, or if they had to be set up for each format ahead of time. If it's the same path for each format then it'd make sense to put things into the same shaped intermediate cartridges.

So my store had a Gretag 740+, which was old and shitty, but all it did was C41 processing, which is standard for consumer-grade color film. Other than swapping out the caddy with the one that holds APS film & using that intermediary canister, the development process was identical.

I don't think there was any difference between the printing of 35mm and APS that I remember, at least not on that machine. We eventually upgraded the lab to a Kis DKS1670 and had a whole different film scanner you had to swap out but it was also a MUCH nicer machine.

Thanks for the reply! I've found it hard to find alot of info on how alot of the minilab stuff works. A midi keyboard using that exact word hasn't helped with the SEO either. I did find a forum once for discussing the machines but most of what I saw there was how to keep the things running.

Something i've also wondered about is when things started to change from direct optical/ chemical prints to digital scans and dye sublimation prints. I'm not a historian or anything but I was sorta curious on comparing the "authenticity" of scanning negatives and printing them at home versus what photo finishers were doing through the 90s.

That is a weird overlap. I would've figured they'd have good dye sublimation printers before they had good digital scanners. Now I gotta try figure out how they exposed the chemical print too.

Edit: With scanned lasers!

I was gonna write a reply more or less saying "no, they're too complicated and i'd need to try and probably fail at redesigning them for clunky FDM prints or wobbly SLA prints" but when taking more detailed photos i thought i'd spotted a plastic catch holding the parts of the spindle together, but just levering the white part a little had it just pop off. I thought i'd tried that... I was thinking they were bonded or swaged together in some way and gave up.

https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/9f97df78-8191-42f8-8835-4e8f0a7ca8b4/20240523_100541.jpg

They're the only part that seems to wear out, and I was thinking a while ago if I could get the flexible plastic cups off and on, then I could maybe try making dies to produce new ones. As just various steps lathe cut into lumps of aluminium, heated up on a hotplate or something, it's in the realm of the kind of thing I could maybe make...

Oh no this post was supposed to give me a sense of closure so I could move on to less stupid projects... haha

Hello, I replied to the Ask you sent but didn't realise it'd post the reply publicly with your name and such and so quickly deleted it, but had no other way to contact you after that.

Sorry but this machine is kinda half baked and i'd hesitate to inflict it on anyone. It'd need another revision or several to work reliably itself, but there's all the other problems too.

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