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I really respect how strict Wikipedia is about secondary sources and avoiding using your own research but it's quite irritating how bad that is for articles about obscure video game history.

I am not allowed to cite the business registration for a long-defunct game company that made a bunch of GBC shovelware before going out of business four years later. An official, legal document that anyone with a brain would accept as true. Because it's a primary source. I'm supposed to find local newspaper articles (none exist) or interviews (none exist) and if they don't exist, the page can't exist due to "lack of notability."

Except they made 20 video games and 18 of them were published by either EA or Infogrames (Atari). That's not insignificant.

Frustrating that this wealth of information seems determined to stop you from adding reasonably verifiable information about things that weren't really widely talked about. It's a bad resource for video games information, but its userbase is so large and its history so long that it is by default also one of the largest. An astounding number of articles have existed for 20 years with next to nothing on them, and people who don't care would rather delete the articles than let someone who does put something on there that doesn't conform to the same standards they'd hold a current event article to.

Idk. Might just do what I want and deal with the reverts as they come.


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in reply to @kaceydotme's post:

Another issue with games and wikipedia: how exactly do you cite gameplay or features? Can you cite the manual? And if that's not a (viable) option, are you stuck with only citing stuff mentioned in game reviews? If it's an obscure game, how the hell do you get more than one source? Do you just have to make your own source worse case scenario, or is that against the rules?

You know I assumed that like the Plot section the Gameplay section had an implicit citation to the game itself but apparently this isn't the case. At least the manual is acceptable for this, and for a game that's obscure but otherwise has enough sources to count as "notable" you could probably get away with just citing the section to that one thing. (also writing your own sources and using them is generally not allowed from what i can remember, partly because of conflict-of-interest but mostly because the bar for a "reliable source" is high enough that most people aren't able to actually make them).

Hrm, WP:PRIMARY seems to suggest that this would be acceptable:

A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a musician may cite discographies and track listings published by the record label, and an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source.

Of course "what the policy sounds like" and "what the wacky wikipedia enforcement system allows" are two separate things lol

EDIT: Oh, right, notability is a bit different—I could see them considering an article with only a primary source as not being notable. Bleh.