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🌌🐈🐉@kda5/1/2023, 12:23 AM

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onebug @numberonebug5/1/2023, 12:17 AM

Caeser wasn't the first dictator (Titus Larcius in 501 BCE)

nor was he the first dictator for life (Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, 81BCE)

nor was he the first emperor (Gaius Octavius, 27 BCE)

he was just,, a consul. he certainly aimed to take total power (mainly to avoid the debts and lawsuits he would have faced after stepping down from power) but he himself wasn't what killed the Republic. rather his murder led to a civil war, during which the republic was a casualty, but idk it's interesting that people hear the name "Caeser" and think that oh he was either the first dictator or the one who killed the Republic or whatever and, yeah no he wasn't.

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🌌🐈🐉@kda5/1/2023, 12:28 AM

I mean, for a state like the US, whose governmental structure and state mythology really at least claims a precedent in the Roman Republic, positioning Caesar as a singular evil, in the sense of any number of capitalist dictators who broke from parliamentary democracies, is basically inevitable?

Like, transparently wrong, but it's important for states like that to position dictatorial shifts as being something that's Not The System's Fault™.

onebug @numberonebug5/1/2023, 12:38 AM

Oh that's interesting! yeah Big Man historiography like that does allow for power structures to be seen as neutral and for systemic failures to kinda get a pass

🌌🐈🐉@kda5/1/2023, 1:10 AM

y e a h

Which is kinda necessary, for when the only fracture point for a state's (counter)revolution it's willing to fess up to is procedural and organisational details.

Like, mainstream historians under anything that calls itself "the US government" aren't usually going to be that enthusiastic about calling out the Royal Proclamation and rumblings of the abolition of slavery as being the things that really set off their goofy little coup.

Shel @shel5/1/2023, 2:49 AM

He left such a historical impact that many many countries called their rulers Caesers. (Kaiser. Czar.)

I wonder if it's because the histories available to us in the past emphasized him a lot and we've only learned more about rome later