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sarahzedig
@sarahzedig
fraaan
@fraaan asked:

am I remembering correctly that you liked Steven universe? Would you wanna go off about it?

a more focused question that you are welcome to ignore if you'd rather focus on something else abt the show: Why does it somehow feel like an even more brambly and difficult subject to talk about than homestuck? or is that just a me thing? I realize this is for "fandom" reasons in a way not dissimilar to homestuck, but hs got that way for specific reasons you've talked about or alluded to. idk, trying to make a materialist inquiry and I'm ending up maybe too comparative so I'm going to cut myself off lol

i personally don't think steven universe is anywhere near as difficult to talk about as homestuck, but i was never part of the su fandom and find most people's opinions on the subject rather boring. remember that one really long video essay that was all about how steven universe is bad and the creator got mad at rebecca sugar for the show's disjointed broadcast schedule? that's about the caliber of grounded and relevant criticism i tend to see and i just don't think it's worth engaging with. homestuck has a lot more baggage from a lot of different directions, some of which is very personal for me, so in my book there's no comparison on that front lmao

i really like steven universe! i've been itching to rewatch it, actually. has the culture turned in such a way that "we" have decided it was bad? i feel like i keep seeing people "defend" steven universe in a conspicuously, uh, well, defensive way, against a bunch of haters i rarely see, and i just can't tell if that's because people actually hate the show now or what. maybe it's just that folks had issues with the ending, issues with the movie, then issues with su future, and since that was the most recent canonical conversation it's the one that dominates our collective memory. doesn't help that people have an annoying tendency to assume that their kneejerk reaction to a thing they watched once six years ago & never thought about again counts as a legitimate and respectable opinion. kind of like how the only thing anyone remembers about the tv series LOST is that everyone was dead the whole time, despite the inconvenient fact that the show goes out of its way to disprove that notion multiple times in its final season. but i digress

personally i find most criticism of steven universe grating. it's a great cartoon!

i almost just wrote the line "sure it's not perfect, but" and want to pause for a second to reflect on that. "it's not perfect, but" is media criticism echolalia. you throw it in the mix somewhere any time you have nice things to say about literally any movie or show or book or album, because god forbid the audience think you have only nice things to say. i wish we could all just sit down and agree that "perfect" is anathema to art when it's applied objectively. perfection is inherently subjective-- a show like station eleven is perfect for me because it does the kinds of things that i like better than anything else that i've watched. perfect is impossible. perfect is poison. nothing perfect was ever made through the pursuit of perfection; it emerges only as an accidental byproduct of artists working REALLY FUCKING HARD, and only in the minds of those in the audience attuned to the specific threads of personal expression preferred by the artist in question.

so yeah, steven universe isn't perfect. i could pick some nits. some plotlines resolve too fast. the show rushes its ending a bit much. future is a bit of a mess. "talk to your racist grandma" isn't a solution to space colonialism. i actually don't care about these flaws though and i don't think it's fair to linger on them for any length of time without spending at least an equal amount of time discussing the abjectly impossible position rebecca sugar found themself in running a show for cartoon network. this nonbinary queer who used to do nsfw ed edd n eddy comics on tumblr was tasked with making an unabashedly gay high-concept genre story for children on a network run by explicitly homophobic conservatives who seemed to resent the show's popularity at every turn. it was, from very early on, an atmosphere of deliberate sabotage from the higher-ups, whether that's through a painfully inconsistent release schedule, constant studio notes and demands for toning down the gay, or yes, simply threatening to cancel the show constantly. yeah, the ending was rushed and in some ways unsatisfying-- tell that to the executives who canceled the show early, then greenlit the movie, then renewed the show for a surprise final season.

that the show exists at all in the form that it does is nothing short of a miracle. there is a gay wedding with a gay kiss between a masc-leaning gem in a dress and a fem-leaning gem in a suit!! there are so many songs about gay heartbreak and childhood trauma and just... man. what other show has explored relationships the way steven universe did? steven and connie, pearl and rose, rose and greg, rose and spinel, lapis and jasper, lapis and peridot, lars and sadie, ruby and sapphire, amethyst and greg, pearl and all the women in her phone, god i KNOW i've gotta be leaving some out too!!! few of these are unambiguously positive relationships, in fact most are deeply melancholy and some are outright abusive. that's good!!! i love how willing su was to explore complicated adult relationships from the eyes of a kid who's just trying to make sense of it all. it's a show i dearly, dearly wish had been on the air when i was a kid. for whatever else people like to say it gets wrong, there isn't a single flaw so big it even comes close to outweighing the large-scale queer normalization it helped to steward in.

to more specifically address the "talking your racist grandma out of space colonialism" point: i want to slap every single commentator who said even a single word more about white diamond's redemption arc than "yeah, not exactly an applicable real-life solution to empire." it's the same shit people said about avatar the last airbender's ending five years before steven universe started airing. "aang should have killed the firelord" oh yeah??? okay, let's go knock on some doors at nickelodeon hq and see how they feel about the child protagonist of their children's show for kids point blank murdering a man on screen in cold blood. like come on! i don't even disagree, man. like yes, politically speaking, if you've got the fascist dictator of a war-crazed empire at gunpoint in real life, you're probably best off pulling the trigger! now keep that knowledge in your back pocket for the next time you find yourself in that position, because that's the full extent of its relevance in discussions of either text.

you can only earnestly, militantly hold white diamond's redemption arc against the show if you maintain deliberate ignorance of the material conditions of the show's production. which unfortunately has been the expected norm of most popular criticism throughout the 2000s if not far longer, at least that i've seen. there's an infuriating boundary between art-making and art-criticizing that consistently leads otherwise keen observers of cultural phenomena to say just the most backward-ass unhinged nonsense you've ever heard. the tormented production history of steven universe isn't trivia, IT IS THE UNAVOIDABLE SHADOW OF THE TEXT ITSELF!!! i understand the argument that art ought to be judged on the basis of its quality and nothing more; that the work should speak for itself and everything else is window dressing. i understand that argument, okay? i just think it's stupid and wrong, especially in the case of a queer-focused show produced in a deeply homophobic country for a genuinely fascistic corporate network like this one. if you don't talk about the choices rebecca sugar made without also talking about the choices she wasn't allowed to make, then what are you even doing? you're blaming sugar for something that was entirely out of her hands! if they read your argument they'd probably say "i agree with you and i fought for exactly that!!!" quite frankly, when it comes to children's animation, that is probably true for most of the criticisms people levy against what makes it on the air.

anyway, to actually talk about what i'm supposedly talking about: i cry so much every time i watch the last couple episodes of steven universe. the separation and eventual reunification of steven from his gem is SO potent for me as a trans woman, as i'm sure it was for quite a lot of queer folks. i cannot tell you how many times i've found myself thinking, if only i could rip my heart out and show people who i am, if only i could get them to see me, then they'd never be able to deny my personhood ever again. life just doesn't work that way, unfortunately... but wouldn't it be nice if it did? the ending of steven universe is the good end that so many queer people imagine-- asserting yourself in the face of repressive family until finally, finally, finally they see you, and suddenly realize the magnitude of their fuck-up. it's a beautiful dream rendered with such clear emotional honesty. it's devastating poetry that resolves into an impassioned embrace and a true apology.

is that a satisfying way to resolve the many on-camera crimes of the homeworld empire? not particularly, i guess. but so what? almost every other villain in the show gets a redemption arc. it's just not in this show's nature (certainly not in steven's nature) to say that anyone is so far beyond redemption that death is the only solution. there are characters who definitely believe that, and the show flirts with agreeing with them from time to time. but ultimately that's not what this story is about. this is a story about living in a disappointing world, living with pain and disappointment and heartbreak, reckoning with it, and learning how not to kill yourself about it. the core lesson is frequently that no matter how right you are in wanting to inflict violence on someone else, doing so only further entrenches them from achieving actual change. the real work of being in a world full of other people is in not killing everybody you disagree with, actually! and while there are very firm limits on what and who can be forgiven in real life (and certainly instances when people are deserving of violence), steven universe is a children's cartoon show about gay talking rocks. yes, steven talking his homophobic grandma out of doing genocide is naive wish-fulfillment. more specifically, it is queer wish-fulfillment. please point me in the direction of any other show as honest about the dark and painful complexities of being a traumatized queer person among other traumatized queer people in a deeply traumatizing and queerphobic world, that also ends on such a profound note of empowering, celebratory wish-fulfillment. who cares if it's not "realistic," it's a show about gay talking space rocks!

and isn't there a measure of triumph in a show that suggests, maybe your homophobic grandma can come back from the brink? it's so easy to say "well that doesn't happen in real life" but like... it does. it does happen, actually. my conservative christian uncle was real transphobic to me when i first came out, but when i told him that i had no problem cutting him out of my life if he kept treating me that way... he changed. i asked him to take my coming out as an opportunity to educate himself, and he did! yes, it's important to represent how difficult it can be to exist as a queer person in a cishet world, but it's equally important to represent the genuine possibility that cishets can learn to be tolerant (in point of fact, a pretty significant chunk of the queer population would have sworn to being unquestioningly cishet under oath at some point in their lives-- including me!). steven universe does both excellently, in my opinion. rebecca sugar and her team earned that ending, and i'm grateful that such a hopeful dream of familial absolution for queer people exists.

okay, one final tangent before calling it a day. here's where it gets heavy.

steven's evolving relationship with his mom was really important to me in my 20s. my mom died when i was 19, which is certainly a very different situation to steven's since i did get to have her as a parent through my childhood and adolescence. but also... everyone loved my mom. she was someone who made people feel special and listened to and cared for. she was the only adult who ever treated me like an adult growing up (which i'm convinced is what made me that cantankerous creature i am today). everyone who ever knew her remembers her, and her death for them is still as present now as it was 14 years ago.

and yet somehow, i've always felt alone in my grief. because unlike everyone else who knew her, even my own brother and sister, i'm the only one who never got to know her as an adult. she was someone i loved, who i aspired to be like, who taught me how to be who i am. but i never had her around to ask questions about college, finding apartments, dating, cooking on your own, moving across states, finding jobs, finding partners, living in an unjust world, becoming disillusioned with the dreams that motivated you when you were younger... not to mention the gender! i'll never know what she would have said to me when i came out as transfem. i'll never know how shitty or judgmental she could have been about the stupidest shit, i'll never know what hangups she had that i'd only encounter after moving out. my brother and sister, both ten years older than me, had plenty of gripes with her! she was a bullheaded bitch who couldn't hold her tongue! that's where i get it from and i KNOW people want to get MY ass for it! at the same time, my siblings got to have her there when their kids were born, they got to have her there for their divorces, and family deaths, and just like... normal shit. normal shit that you talk to your parents about when you aren't living with them.

everyone else knew her as a human being, with flaws and skills and infinite contradictions. i only ever knew her as my mom. at the wake, more than a few people said to me, "you were always her baby." a third kid she didn't intend to have, with a man i'm not entirely sure she wanted to be with, in a state a thousand miles away from the place she used to call home, that she decided to raise with patience and love and conviction. i was her baby, and when she died i had nowhere else to go, found the act of driving a car impossibly stressful, hadn't ever had a job, barely graduated high school, no interest in college, and worst of all i wanted to be a writer. nobody knew what to do with me. nobody knew how to help me, or talk to me, or give me advice. when i asked them to tell me things about my mom that i never experienced, they clammed up. i guess because they didn't want to break my illusion of her? i had to beg my sister not to burn her journals. she told me, "mom wanted them burned, she never wanted anyone to see what she wrote." to which i replied, "but she's dead, and i'm not, and no one wants to tell me anything about her that i don't already know."

i'm 34 now and this hasn't really changed. she died and nothing about their lives was substantially altered, besides losing a loved one they infrequently talked to. but she died and my entire life blew up. i was six months out of high school! then suddenly i had to pack up everything we owned, throw away a bunch of sentimental shit we didn't have a place for, transfer her car's title and associated five-figure debt to my name, move across the country to live with a family of ten i'd largely never met before, get a job working night shift at wal mart, and decide what the fuck to do with the rest of my life. i don't just mourn her. i mourn the stability of a home base, of a childhood bedroom where a bunch of your stuff lives. i mourn the experience of getting to know your parents as adults, realizing how flawed they are, how much like you they are, how much the control you thought they had was always an illusion. i mourn never getting to talk to her about motherhood. i mourn the normalcy of having parents around in my thirties. with every passing year this grief only deepens, because i know so many people for whom this is an essential experience. i don't have the bitter closure of being disowned, or the the euphoria of being accepted. it's all just... longing.

if you've seen steven universe, you can probably imagine at this point why steven's relationship with his mom resonated with me. i feel weird saying this, because i think some critics have a tendency to really overstate the extent to which a children's show is actually depicting the thing they say it depicts, but: no other work of art has so consistently nailed the complexity of this grief dynamic the way su does. it's not just that rose is dead, it's that she exists to steven only as a story that deep down he knows is simply too good to be true. her family tries to protect him from the difficult realities of who rose was, and only make steven that much more desperate for answers in the process. they think they're protecting him, but really they're protecting themselves. often the people who knew her project who she was onto him, and get mad when he fails to live up to those expectations. he feels pressure to be as good as everyone says rose was, just as i did, and it royally fucks with his head just like it did for me! with each new revelation about rose over the course of the series, steven's relationship to her deepens in complexity and ambiguity. he loves her, he loves the people who loved her, but he doesn't always know how to feel about her or them. at times, he comes to hate her-- especially when the debts of her poor choices fall on his head near the end. but ultimately he comes to accept that she is an essential part of him, and that he can still love her while also learning from her mistakes. that being his own person without her isn't the same thing as failing to live up to her example.

it's nuanced. it's difficult. rose was a great person at her best, and a terrible one at her worst-- someone who earned the praise from her peers, but who made many mistakes and acted not infrequently out of petty, cruel self-interest. she's neither villainized nor deified, because that's not what a dead parent is to a young person, or at least not for me. what they are is a question you'll be asking for the rest of your life, that you'll never run out of answers to, that you'll never answer definitively. you're as chained to them as you are free of them. this is something that cannot be satisfactorily explored outside of a longform narrative. you can't get at this peculiar pain and absence in a movie unless it's the only thing you're doing. steven universe does it and a hundred other things, and that's why it works. grief lives in the unoccupied spaces between everything else you do for the rest of your life. grief can be felt when you're sobbing on the bed, but it can just as easily be felt when you're going on fun donut adventures with your pals. it's not siloed, it's not separate; grief becomes your shadow. at first it casts a pall over everything you see. eventually it numbs, until someday it is as mundane as your actual shadow. but it's never so far away, so numb, that it can't roar back into the present tense and shake you to your knees.

you can't get over it. you can't move on from it. you have to live with it. you just have to live with it. some days it's harder than others, but you do it anyway because you have to. your world ends and the big world keeps on spinning and you just have to fucking live with it. that's what steven universe is about, for me, and there's nothing else that comes close. despite being a children's show, it treats these subjects with tremendous maturity and empathy, and with great respect for the emotional intelligence of the audience. perhaps controversially, i don't think a show "for adults" could do anything close to what su does here. steven universe isn't good in spite of being a children's cartoon (as was often said of avatar the last airbender). it's good precisely because it takes as granted the notion that children are just adults who haven't grown up yet. they're not different from us. they're not secretly, specially insulated from worrying about death or genocide or religious fanaticism. steven universe treats children the way no adult except my mom ever treated me, and that's so precious. so fucking rare. it's miraculous that this thing exists. there is simply no flaw in the text that even comes close to outweighing all the things it gets right.

also i like steven universe future and i don't really get the haters. it's the steven universe epilogues and while it's shorter & more rushed than it ought to be, it's an essential teenage intervention on the ideas su had about childhood. i've only watched it once though... hmm.

i think i've just talked myself into doing that rewatch...

as a reward for making it to the end of this post, i want to share a short little comic by art spiegelman and maurice sendak that lives rent-free in my brain. it says, with extraordinary brevity, everything i believe about childhood and children's media:

(forgive the weird quality of these pictures, i couldn't find a satisfying version online and of course the original new yorker page for it is paywalled. this is published in metamaus, art spiegelman's in-depth making-of companion piece to his graphic novel maus)


SamKeeper
@SamKeeper

like a week ago I joked that I should make a counterpart to this post about Spinel as a wish fulfilment character for sad gothic bitches who just want to go apeshit. anyway Sarah and I just rewatched the movie and honestly? yeah. which is interesting because Spinel essential experiences in microcosm what Steven is going to go through over the course of Future, right?

Spinel gets treated dreadfully, simply because her needs don't fit into Rose's Mental Health Needs and her Aspirations. She's the wish fulfilment of saying, ok, everyone ELSE has gotten to be a little shit, now it's MY turn to have an apocalyptic meltdown that THEY have to all graciously forgive! Spinel is an absolute freakshow of a character, genuinely unsettling, gleefully destructive because destruction is so satisfying, eager to drag to the surface every uncomfortable or uncharitable thought (like "you were easier to deal with when you were more gullible") that a Perfect Good Boy like Steven has from the subtext into the text... she's weird and out of place and really entertaining for as long as people can squeeze some amusement out of her, and easily and quickly discarded when her antics grate on their nerves. and the best way she has of expressing how she feels about this is by trying to destroy everything around her, just to force someone, basically anyone, to acknowledge her.

there's this bit (that I want to talk about in a future article patreon plug patreon plug) in Selma G. Lanes's book of children's literature criticism Down Rabbit Holes where she describes Dr Seuss books as expressing childhood anxiety. the chaotic antics oozing out of Seuss's art are able to explore the kind of madcap desires a child has in a safe context free of the punishment they'd receive in real life, and help ameliorate the anxiety children feel trying to conform to rules of Good Behavior that seem constant, oppressive, and sometimes incomprehensible. I think Spinel offers some similar catharsis even for adult viewers. have you ever found yourself looking at people around you who managed to Get Their Shit Together and seem to have bumbled their way into a happy ending and just wanted to sock them in the jaw? and then make them say "you know what buddy you have a point, don't worry about it, it's fine"? boy it's especially a potent fantasy if you've been the repeat target of other people's spectacular meltdowns, which is sort of the trajectory Steven is on at the end of the film and which he'll go hurtling down by the end of Future. Spinel looks at the plot of Steven Universe and goes you know what, actually if I can't be the hero here I at least deserve to be the villain everyone else has to pay attention to for a while. I love that for her.

of course in real life this is terrifying because even if you've internalized ideas about forgiveness and non-carceral conflict resolution and so on, do you really anticipate that anyone will treat you the way you want to be treated? "That's easy for you to say," Spinel declares while rebuffing Steven's Epic Friendship And Self Improvement Song. "When you change, you change for the better! When I change, I change for the WORSE!" that line is tied for me as my favorite Spinel line with "I used to be just not good enough... but now I'm not good at all!" and the delightful "Who am I? Who am I? What are you even saying?/I'm the loser of the game you didn't know you were playing!" and the sense of narrative abandonment in these lines isn't uncalled for: after all, the minute Steven seems to resolve the central conflict, he... does kind of discard her and indicate openly that he'd rather just continue the story as it was going, without her. and she gets to have another great big meltdown about it!! I love that for her!! you go girl, give the planet terraforming poison! and in the context of this cartoon, she can be that, and do that, and look Like That, and in the end not be subjected to the social death we've decided is the just punishment for Doing Bad Things TM in queer spaces. she can express this hurt and the injustice of having to swallow that hurt for the sake of someone else's "happily ever after", for us, in the safe context of a children's cartoon.

and boy, I sure do hope the children are paying attention.

Change Your Mind is sort of a fantasy about getting to forgive your racist grandma and build a healthier relationship. Spinel's character is sort of the opposite fantasy: of getting to fuck up and still be worthy of forgiveness and love.


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this was a stunning read.

also the aside about the material conditions for art is one that i wish more people understood, because it's kind of a huge part of creating it in the first place. art isn't made in a void, and i wish more armchair designers and critics would recognize that.

honestly i think it's just difficult to grasp how much blood and pain and sweat and tears and screaming and crying goes into making a cartoon if you haven't made a long term project like that yourself. i only started really understanding after doing comics, and especially after doing comics in a team.

because those material conditions, the real pressures you are under, whether you want to or not, will come into play. you have a deadline, you have pressure, and now you have to execute as best you can, and afterwards you will see the problems with it.

you'll see them more clearly than anyone else, and all you can hope is that the imperfect art you made will resonate with people.

Yes omg @ the "not perfect, but". I had never thought about it quite that way, but it captures the essence of my distaste with a lot of the criticism I saw levelled at SU. "It was so good, and I'm angry because it could have been perfect if only it did <this thing> differently"
It seems like so many people got personally offended when the show strayed from their idea of perfection, in a way they wouldn't be if the show was already further from "perfection".

Hey this is incredible, we're on SUCH a wavelength about this show and Sugar and blinkered media crit in general. Thank you for writing this, it felt really cathartic to read

honestly quite incredible post - i recently rewatched SU and The Movie and plan to rewatch Future, myself, and I also very much just Don't See Why The Online Culture Around It Has To Either See It As Bad Or See It Need To Be Defended From Being Bad when it just out and out rules as hard as it could manage with the executive meddling that was very firmly not the crew's fault. SU is so layered thick with giving you reasons to care about people and their relationships that you come to find yourself caring about this incredibly wide cast of doofuses as their complicated and sometimes fraught ties to each other are tested and strengthened and change and i love it for that. also thank you so much for just going "who cares that steven didnt kill white diamond". that would never have been how this show ended because this show isnt About that

mulling over the segment about never getting to know your mom as an adult, it really resonated with me. even though mine is alive i also lived with my maternal grandparents in lieu of my absentee dad. my grandma didn't live to see me graduate, my grandpa only lived long enough after to see the first few months of my first job. i'm still young and still have plenty of time to sort my shit out but reading this really made it hit me that i really am never gonna know them - my grandma especially - as adults the way my mom did, or the way any of her friends-close-enough-for-me-to-call-aunts-and-uncles did. even if i still have my mom it just... sucks that i'll never get to know them that way, seeing as they were basically two extra parents to me

i may be biased as steven universe is what keeps my son fed and i'll probably never be involved in something more impactful in my life, but, i think it's pretty good too. i'm especially fond of SU future's take of "if you grow up around a buncha cartoons, and you solve all their problems (which is easy bc they are cartoon characters), you'd still have to work on yourself, because you are a complex human". i think it's extremely hilarious that the diamonds are all so surface-level that the insane toxic potential of diamonds + spinel just.... doesn't happen. they're fine. they're cartoons

anyway, that was a nice read, thanks for writing all that!

also regarding the mom stuff--as someone who lost his mom at 26, i think i deluded myself into thinking she had been there for me all the way to adulthood--that came to bite me in the ass as i did most of my coolest shit after turning 30, and her involvement in my life faded with the passing of time. it was a bad coping strategy and i had to go to therapy to realize that haha

thanks for this.

I feel that "what did you EXPECT" with criticisms of both avatars and SU. like.

aang was not going to murder someone, no matter what advice he got. this show did not have to fight cancellation on nearly the same level, but...

steven was not gonna murder white diamond. that would have made any of this even harder to get on air.
korra had some pretty relevant descriptions of trauma and barely got away with hands held into the sunset.

Honestly speaking as a SU fan, I think most of us are just sorta on edge because of a loud minority that just repeatedly loves to bring up the talking points from those infamous video essays and post shitty/edgy memes about Steven ad nauseum.

Its not unlike certain other contested franchises like Sonic where you can have good discussion of it with the right people, but you're basically risking a Fear And Hunger-esque 50/50 coin flip on whether someone is gonna derail the thread yelling the same negative talking points just because you dared to talk about the show in a positive light. Lord knows I just got tired of it all at some point, but that never diminished my love for the show.

But yeah thank you for writing this. So much gets drowned out in the Noise/Commotion nowadays that its great to just sit back and enjoy what made the show work/resonate with so many.

steven's struggle around rose is something su really did get unambiguously right. I also lost my mom, age 9 for me, so I'm something between steven and your story. having to go through my teen years with unresolved grief and no support (family bad etc) created a very messy memory situation around her. I find that I still deify her in many ways, even if I can very vaguely remember some angles in which she was a messy person. su captured the emotional struggle of it in such an authentic way that I can't actually think of other media I've seen manage, but I'm also of the opinion that a lot of dead parent media is probably written such so that they don't have to worry about additional emotional connections for the main character, rather than wanting to explore that flavor of grief, haha

at risk of trauma-jumping, yes, I also lost my mom when I was 8 and su is probably the only media I've seen that comes anywhere close to capturing what that ongoing experience is like! I also really relate to what you say about "deifying" and would add that speaking for my own experience, I think I was a young enough age that my sense of self wasn't entirely distinct yet, which makes how confused steven is by the way he is a continuation of rose hit especially hard!

no fuckin words. all i can say is

  1. i need to rewatch steven universe now that i know where its going and can appreciate it on its own terms rather than the ideas i came up for its progression as a teenager
  2. i need to text my dad

This made me see Steven Universe in a new light that I never considered before. Also, I can vouch for the accuracy of the comics since there will always be a fuckton of kids looking at porn on the internet (I mean, I was one).

I echo everything everyone else is saying in the comments here! Thank you for making this post

Regarding other shows that handle how complex and messy queer relationships can be, I think She-Ra does an alright job, even if it's ultimately limited by the fact that so many of the characters are more-or-less teenagers.

I'm so happy for what SU was able to push for and how far other animated shows and movies have come since. I wish they were around when I was growing up, for sure

Excellent article! I don't have the same relation to the show, but I do relate to it in many levels - Pearls perfectionism and Stevens depression (in SU:F) in particular.

One thing I wanted to add about the "talking your racist grandma out of space colonialism" stuff - I think your point is fair, especially in the context in which the show is made, but The Owl House shows it can be done differently in a children's show. (if you haven't watched it, I highly recommend it, it has amazing queer rep and is generally awesome) The context is a bit different, but Steven Universe chooses to engage with this in this way. Then again, you could argue that SU opened up the option for TOH to be this way.

I don't think that's really a big negative point towards the show, but it was not so well executed, but that's mostly because the ending was rushed, as you say. And obviously, it couldn't have been good for it to not end this way, it just needed more time. But the important point I wanted to make is that the showmakers chose to do it like this, for it to be a show about family relationships. It makes sense! But the whole "talking your racist grandma out of space colonialism" needs to be seen in a family light, rather than in a revolutionary light. The Change Your Mind song illustrates this rather well.

So I still love SU - I just wanted to add this nuance that you can go like "sometimes violence is necessary" in children's shows, the show just isn't about that, and never wanted to be.

just wanna point out that the wide criticisms of Steven Universe is identical to the wide criticism of Homestuck, in that they're both "I find some members of the fandom annoying, therefore the work itself is bad", as if that's a reasonable sort of thought to ever have.

like there's specific criticisms, and some of them are even founded (others are very much NOT. lily orchard is my eternal rival for these crimes) but any time you see people acting like the consensus around Su is that it's bad... that's all it is

this is a really wonderful post & i'm glad to have read it. the way you speak abt grief & its complexity is compelling & honest in a way i deeply appreciate. the circumstances around my parents' deaths were very different, but for what happened with my mother especially, a lot of this really resonates, & was also something i connected with in this show. i have an enormous soft spot for media & art abt grief & i admire SU's ambition & subsequent occasional mess so much. i think this has also moved a rewatch way up in my calendar as well; thanks for writing :)

Addressing the first part... There is no like, mass consensus against SU. I feel like this is the flipside of people loudly declaring Actually Beloved Mainstream Media Property Is Good And I'm Tired Of Pretending It Isn't like it's some kind of brave stance. Just because a hundred fascist dipshits whom post on 4chan are insisting that SU Is Bad Actually, or similarly a hundred cryptofash clowns with Mao icons on Tumblr, doesn't mean they're representative of anyone and it's okay to ignore that. It can feel like that's somehow a real opinion in this environment where queer people are under attack but it just isn't and it's fine and good to recognize exactly what that kind of noise is worth.

You’re not wrong, but also SU Critical was absolutely a Thing on tumblr for quite a while, and it came from leftist/social justice/queer community members. It’s mostly irrelevant now, through sheer passage of time.

This is some of the only good writing I’ve ever read about SU, holy shit. Thank you for this perspective.

I also deeply relate as someone whose mom died when I was a child; Steven having to learn from everyone around him who she was but not getting to see her face to face as an adult person with the ability to see complexity has always resonated on a deep level with me.

An absolutely fucking beautiful post that touches on a LOT of similar thoughts I've had, with maybe one or two exceptions.

I feel like, when it comes to the messier parts of the story itself -- pacing, and tangents -- you can't not bring up the internal crew drama. It is absolutely worth noting that a part of what marred the show itself was that... Rebecca didn't have a firm grip at the helm. There was some weird-ass sub-planning behind her back, because she didn't want to be an old school manager type, and its the same problem you saw with Adventure Time. At a certain point, Pendleton Ward just stepped back because he didn't enjoy the stress, and then you saw a lot of competing points of views -- both for what the show should be, and of the characters, and relationships, and it lead to a lot of bwabwabwa. And to a certain degree, that happened with Steven Universe, too. It struggled with having a united vision for a good while, because the crew was not United.

and, this is more of a strange aside, but, Truly, I do want to say, the show is right. There is nobody who is actually beyond redemption. That, there is always an alternate path, other than offensive violence. Defensive? I mean yeah, the show shows that if you're being actively attacked, physically, you defend the heck out of yourself. but Offensive, where you start? always a way out. And I'm prefacing this because I always want to draw attention to one of the most amazing men I've ever read, watched, and learned about. Daryl Davis. An african american man, who has, for over 30 years, dismantled the remnants of the KKK. Just by being a friend. Simply by being a positive influence, he has gone as far as making an Imperial Wizard resign (basically the tip top of the toxic totem pole). There truly and absolutely is something to be said to the way SU deals with this -- and its best said in a quite quote from Davis, as well. "When there's talking, there's not fighting." (maybe slightly paraphrased).

but again, ty for this big ole post. It says a lot that I've thought about, and some stuff I didn't, and its very, very, well spoken.

Steven Universe is one of my favorite shows I watched back then as a lad becoming a teen. And despite not finishing it, I still love it nostalgically and for how amazing it can be at times. Regarding the usual criticism of the show, I almost fell into the trap of not liking it because of some stupid "CalArts" connotation internet idiots assumed and other bigoted things to expect from edgy meme people. Thankfully, I still have heart to like some of the aspects of the show. I hope to finish this whole show and the rest someday.

i was nodding along until i got to the mom part and... well.

my mom died when i was 20, i was 14 when steven universe started airing, and i was 15 when it really set in that she was dying. so steven universe, uh, was pretty much timed perfectly for me. my mom was also very loved - ive never seen so many people at a wake - and she was also admittedly pretty flawed at times, as any human is. she could get real snippy, and once she told me my hair looked 'like hagrid' on a bad hair day and i will never get that one out of my mind. and she talked to me like an adult too, which was pretty funny because i'd be giving her, like, advice, as a teenager.

and... yeah, she's never gonna be there for all the big life events, like marriage, and having kids, and buying my first house, and whatever else gen xers consider mandatory life steps. but i do have one thing she got to be there for, and i'll treasure it forever, and... its kind of steven universe's doing that i got it at all. (oh god this is about to be a long ass dump of a post. sorry.)

i came out to her as trans on my 15th (...or 16th?) birthday. (we went to cheesecake factory). she wanted to be the 'cool mom on facebook' who just says 'yeah i always knew, whats the big deal?' and thats about as supportive as she could manage. she took a long time to adjust. she was kind - i never feared that she would kick me out or anything - but she was embarrassed, and judgemental, and scared for me, and just didn't understand. it took years, and a lot of work, before she would really acknowledge it and even longer to accept it.

and then, one day, she bought me a little purse. not as some big, performative gesture, but just because she'd seen one out and about and thought i'd like it. she would speak in disgust about transphobic comments she'd heard. she'd compliment my skirts instead of going quiet when i wore them. she wasn't just 'you do you!' supportive from a distance, she earnestly treated me like a daughter.

about a year before she died, she talked about names with me. i brought it up to her because i was thinking about the nora episode of SU.

...and, okay, to get it out of the way, no, 'rose' was not what she would have named me if i was born a girl. that would have been pretty cool, but she revealed to me that it would have been 'mackenzie.' and i am NOT a mackenzie. i already threw away the original name she gave me so it wasn't a big deal.

anyway, of all the various ideas i had, she liked the name 'rose' the most - it was her favorite flower, after all. and that was it. i had My Name. it was just... kind of too perfect for me to pass up. rose quartz was the first time i ever saw a tall fat woman be depicted kindly - with curly (possibly hagrid-esque on a bad day) hair and everything! - and that depiction made me believe i could be happy with myself as a girl. plus, the name covered the mommy issues i was already building as i started grieving my mom long before she had even died. i'm making it real simple for my therapist!

so like, as much as i have criticisms of the show - i always do for anything i love - they are extremely minor in comparison to how much it means to me. i'm glad it got made and i still think its better than most of the crap that gets made. i rewatch lion 3 straight to video when i'm at my worst and need something to feel better. also i liked future a lot

I lost my mom when I was 13, barely after I was beginning to understand my gender stuff- and a full decade before I'd actually come out.
She meant... so much to me. I never connected with any of the rest of my family like I did with her. Losing her was like being dropped into the ocean when all I knew was a kiddy pool.
I saw my experiences reflected back at me in Steven Universe, enough so that when I changed my name I based my new last name off of the show. And, I've gotta say, you've done an absolutely amazing job of describing exactly why that is!
Thanks <3

The refusal of the idea that anyone can ever be redeemed and all bigots should be shot on sight is depressing. The existence of a redemption arc in fiction doesn't mean that everyone who, idk, had been abused at some point in their lives has to forgive their abusers, or try to personally reform fascists. People can, in fact, change, and tricking themselves into believing they can't, ever, is just...sad. And possibly dangerous if enough people simply give up and don't ever give anyone the chance to come to common ground and possibly escape full radicalization.

I don't think a lot of redemption arcs are particularly good (maybe I'll write a post about it sometime), but the rejection of the very concept that seems to be getting more common lately is annoying. But media literacy in general seems to be turning into a cesspit for many reasons.

I don't have much to say about the show itself but excellent post with good points. I should watch this eventually, it's just so hard for me to focus. I never even finished She-ra...

Thank you for this! I had to stop reading when you got to the actual point, since I still never finished the show myself (the executive sabotage of it still lives on in finding means to watch it, sadly, so even though I always wanted to finish it I never got around to it), but all the stuff you pointed out before then about the bizarre way people treat the show is spot on with my understanding of it. People nitpick on the details way too much, and for all the flaws you can find in it, it was always a great show from what I remember. And it's kind of a shame that all people remember it for is all the weird "Rebecca Sugar is a Nazi apologist" hot takes people vomited out onto the internet. It makes it hard to talk about the good things the show did, because a vocal minority will ambush you if you dare to say it too publicly. Like, even before you made the comparison to ATLA I was finding myself wondering how people would lambast that show if it had come out a decade later than it did, despite the near universal praise it gets as is. Like, I get it, not everyone has to like SU, but the arguments against it have just always been so bad and transparently bad-faith that I just tuned them out a long time ago, but just... don't see anyone seriously push back on it.

And to be frank, I'd rather see people talk about what they got out of something than just pan it! Even if it meant nothing to me, I think there's something great about people finding meaning in things, public opinion be damned! Whether it's a vocal minority that hates something or seemingly the entire internet population, I'd love to listen to people tell me why they find something great. And while obviously people can get really bad political takes out of media and agree with them, and I'm not going to necessarily let that stand, if someone likes something and the meaning they get out of it isn't, like, measurably politically noxious, I'd love to hear them out on it. Even if literally everyone else thinks it's mediocre, corporately-nothing "content", if one person finds meaning in it I'd rather hear their take than those of the masses who got nothing from it, even if my first assessment is also negative. Maybe that's just me. Maybe that's a naive take. I dunno.

In any case, thanks for stoking my interest in rewatching the first four seasons of SU, and actually finally finishing the rest of it! I've heard a lot of good things about it from people I trust more than edgy critics. If and when I manage to watch it, I'll try to remember this post so I can go back and read it in full then. Thanks for the effort, and also for your post about how great cohost is for writing that I found this from. As someone who's trying to transition away from "typical" social media into having more of a personal blog on a site like this, I'm glad to see that there's an audience for intelligent, long-form posts on here. Even though I've yet to tap into one that I've noticed, I'm glad to have the chance to.

extremely eloquent, adore this post. im in a kind of weird position with Steven Universe because im innately predisposed to not like it just due to my personal media preferences. I honestly just completely avoid truly engaging with any criticism of the series even in being forced to watch it because... I guess I just feel that im inherently biased against the series due to my general distaste for it as a show and I worry that will cause me to be unfairly receptive towards criticism of it as art. I'm still very conflicted on how I should interact (internally) with artistic analysis amd critique of the series.

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extremely extremely extremely good post, wow. very good points you bring up (as a fellow steven universe enjoyer, i get extremely annoyed at how it gets talked about nowadays, for all the same reasons) and also extremely raw, emotional, and affecting writing.

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woah yes!!!! I love spinel for being such a complete mess and demanding the narrative give a damn for a second, really great post, thank you for following through on the joke!

spinel is really important to me as someone with bpd... i could see a lot of my symptoms (and general bpd symptoms) in her. i felt seen, and it felt really good for the borderline-coded character to get a happy ending, because you barely ever see that