It’s remarkable how many rancid things in the air right now, from low quality YouTube content mills to AI to Spotify to David Zaslav, can be summed up as “business people have contempt for creatives as a class and think they’re basically subhuman”
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in reply to @bruno's post:
So leave Spotify, watch hobby YouTube channels, and ignore whatever product Zaslav is head of. Eventually they will go away.
trying to solve systemic or cultural issues by ignoring them is not a great strategy
This isn't war and police brutality, these are services that are provided that we can choose not to partake in.
you seem to be under the impression that a problem is only systemic or cultural if it involves guns
Try not to assume too much, I merely said if we cause a corporation enough loss, they'll stop.
Losing all that money hasn't stopped Warner Bros from doing stupid shit. They won't stop digging their own hole.
You'd think the stockholders would've booted that shithead Zaslav already.
The Boiling Frog Option, historically, has never accomplished much,
doubt that spotify and AI's critics are out there using spotify and AI somehow
Much as they talk about them though, it almost feels like advertisement.
this feels like typical "power of the consumer" mythology to me, and it's silly. it has never worked. there's no mystical strength of the individual consumer that can overcome the effects of money and power on our media and entertainment. what's REALLY happened is that every medium for mass entertainment that's ever existed has become corrupted and warped, and people have fled those media to find others, and then capitalists corrupt those new media, and the cycle endlessly repeats. the damage is never repaired; it merely spreads and worsens.
"ignore the capitalist corruption of all entertainment and it'll go away" might work, I suppose, on a cosmic time scale. everything will "go away" eventually. but I'm not quite willing to wait for the destruction of Earth's ecology to get rid of my problems, and capitalism's subjugation of all media of mass communication and all entertainment to the desires of a few rich people is in fact a problem, a real problem, and not one you're going to solve with "consumer choice". sheesh.
So what, we must mindlessly consume and hope that our money that we use to support this crap magically is seen as us asking it to stop?
At least I write my congressman.
even as a sarcastic answer that's a strange one; I'm not sure how you got this out of what I wrote. and I have no solutions; I'm only pointing out that consumer choice isn't going to make capitalist exploitation go away. good on you for writing your representative, though
If not buying it isn't the answer, then there's only one other option on that front, right? Why do you insist? do you preserve it in an effort to have something to complain about?
excuse me, what is it that you think I'm insisting upon here? as long as you're having a conversation with some imaginary version of me, I'd like to know what that imaginary version is thinking, because I can't begin to guess.
Oh wow, projection too, eh?
Look, if you're not refusing to buy it, you're buying it, plain and simple. So, what profit are you getting from this ad campaign of yours?
who am I advertising for? I haven't even mentioned a single name. what on Earth are you talking about?
what is your deal, man? you’re on, like, every comment on this post and everyone you interacted with is baffled by your insanely aggressive twitter-style posting. we don’t act like this here; lurk more.
They seem to think you’re saying “this never works, therefore I have no obligation to stop using Spotify,” which you obviously aren’t actually saying.
yeah, like...I do not use Spotify and was trying not to mention them even, but I'm not under any illusion that I'm hurting Spotify by not using it.
I don't know what the eff to do about it! I'd hurl a brick through Spotify's window, if that were even a meaningful and useful sort of action to carry out—if I've any overall point, it's that the solution to the problem isn't a consumerist one, but something drastic (and probably forbidden.)
If me not buying spotify were enough to kill spotify, it would already be dead
>when you get excited to see 27 comments but it's just a dickcheese sealioning
This is a really bad comment, Lizardguy64. Do you think that Bruno was asking you for advice or is there something else going on in your mind right now?
underneath it all i agree that's the animus, but i also think that MBA culture has such a deep reflexive lack of ideological self-consciousness, anything beyond "making money is good" really, that many or most of the people in it have never actually understood much less confronted this contempt.
i think for a lot of them the world view is that everyone picks a job coming out of high school and everyone who's not a businessperson simply chose the wrong option and so deserves whatever destitution and violence the system, euphemized as the Market, dispenses.
It's funny how at some level most economists will tell you fundamentals matter. That they're called that because they're the basis under which a company, like, exists. But you read stuff written by MBA people and they may as well be talking about barbecue sandwiches like they're fucking cryptocurrency
Or if not contempt, at least a dismissal of them as a line item that's fully secondary to the process of Creating Product.
Absolutely. I think that even more broadly than that, they have contempt for everyone who makes or does something.
I’m not exactly artisanally crafting software as a creative process over here, but the business types regard my job, the actual production of artifacts that people pay for, as a sort of inconvenient side process to their miscellaneous jockeying and power plays. Like all labor is just random noise to gamble on, instead of the actual thing itself.
My friends who are doctors say the same thing - the actual doctoring is similarly looked at as a necessary but mildly distasteful side effect of corporate structure and financial engineering.
Remember when someone tried to franchise the mere concept of the "React Video"?