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So, this:

is not as much of a racist dogwhistle as the last one I saw here (discussed in this post). But some things to consider:

  • In the comments, the author alludes to intersectionality1, but seemingly fails to take the most obvious "intersectional" step in this case, which would be listening to Black trans folks, the ones who are at this intersection. (See my previous post for links to some takes from this perspective.) Instead the post perpetuates the assumption that Black people and trans/queer people are discrete groups that are at odds en masse, which reinforces white supremacy.
  • I think it's very reasonable to look at The Bad Space and conclude that it is not useful for you. That's what I did. Then I moved on with my day. You could also look at it and say, "this could be useful if xyz," and advocate for xyz. Also reasonable.
  • It's also fine to say, "I don't think The Bad Space is a good implementation of this idea, and I think my instance admin should use other tools."
  • Much of the discourse, including this, seems to be centered on whether the creator of The Bad Space is a good person or a bad person. (That's true of both sides, there's absolutely a cult of personality being created.) I think this is goofy across the board and frequently is a red herring distracting from the actual issues at hand.
  • It's extremely wild to call operating a blocklist "oppression" or "fascism". It's even more wild to call a blocklist "creating virtual prisons," are you fucking kidding me?? Blocklists are not inherently good or bad, and can certainly be used to ill effect if they are poorly or maliciously managed, but we are not talking about a form of structural power here, and being put on one does not deprive a person of any of their rights. To perceive a blocklist as a prison implies that you believe in a right not only to free speech but to control who will listen to you, and that right does not exist.
  • "Restorative justice" does not impose a burden on victims to "constantly" revisit those who have harmed them just to check and see if they're still assholes. (WTF????)

This was originally a longer post but I trimmed off some of the stuff that isn't necessarily relevant to the OP and will perhaps post it separately.


  1. "Even my post above is still an extremely superficial "tip-of-the-iceberg" treatment of issues of intersectionality. I frequently tell people that these concepts are a college-level course because they really are, and it sucks immensely that it really does take sitting down and poring through this material for months on end along with speaking to marginalised groups directly to get even a basic grasp of all the nuances that are just going to be ignored anyway by someone who believes Jewish space lasers are a thing." Worth pointing out that while intersectionality is indeed worthy of academic scholarship and the term originates from such, it doesn't require a college education or the associated class markers to understand.


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in reply to @kukkurovaca's post:

I went to a conference that was a intensive workshop on the basic concepts of restorative and transformative justice a couple years back. The first thing that they impressed on us is that these practices are not meant to be utilized as a one size fits all band-aid to all versions of conflict. These are not pop psychology terms, but instead processes that are in place to be able to resolve intense interpersonal conflict outside of the mechanisms of the state, and the additional trauma that will inflict on black/brown/queer/human bodies. You don't need to form a circle if somebody says something mean about you at your nonprofit. It is for much more serious harms. You are not going to be able to repurpose these processes online, in full public, with a bunch of strangers.

The fact of the matter is that state incarceration exists as a way of standardizing and mechanizing the concept of "justice," one where the satisfaction of punishment (oftentimes by people not involved in the initial harm) is substitution for restitution. I think it would be helpful for people to remember that, and see the ways in which we flatten the difficult realities of conflict into that satisfaction in our own small ways.

For the record, I think that blocklists are pretty dumb in general. This comment isn't really about the fedi discourse or whatever, just the way that a specific thing can become an umbrella very easily.