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rin-mari
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It is wild to me that there are people who think audiobooks is "cheating" literature.
Oh, so reading books is a competitive sport now?


NoelBWrites
@NoelBWrites

unironically, it makes me sad that so many people (even people who like books!) still treat reading as homework

"audiobooks don't count as reading" is a sentence that only makes sense if reading "counts" for something.

This is true for all the dumbass discourse around reading: Does fanfiction count as reading? Do graphic novels or comics count as reading? Do you have to read "the classics"? Is reading short/easy books "cheating"? Is it okay to not finish a book, should it "count" towards your total? The answer to all of these questions is: log off.

What standard are you holding yourself up to? Why does it matter at all? Who is "counting" and why? You're 37 you can't get a good grade in reading anymore, it's not real


kukkurovaca
@kukkurovaca

I wonder if part of the reason that audiobooks have that stigma is that it used to be extremely commonplace for audiobooks to also be abridgements. Producing audiobooks is expensive and when they were primarily on cassette, distributing them had to be quite expensive as well. So when the audiobook market was primarily commuting suburban dads in their cars listening to cut down version of Tom Clancy novels, they probably had a different vibe compared to now when not everything gets an audio release but a whole lot of stuff does.

Anywho, audiobooks rule (except when the narrator is bad), although it sucks that the market is so tied up with amazon/audible.


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in reply to @NoelBWrites's post:

I mean it may be true that if you used to read a lot and you can't right now, there may be something that's fucking with your attention span (yes, possibly phone or internet. But also stress, anxiety, depression, exhaustion, just more responsibilities in life, a million other things) and if reading is something you enjoyed and want to do again, it's worth trying to find ways to do it more often. It's always worth trying to find ways to do more of the things you enjoy and less of the things you don't

But it's not a moral failing to not enjoy reading. Or to want to read only certain books or at certain times of the year or whatever. If you're forcing yourself to read more... why? What is it that you want to get from reading and are there other ways to get that?

i'm very materialist when it comes to books, but i totally agree with this! some folks get so weird about e-books (and frankly most digital media) and it's very embarrassing to be around them. tablets are also part of the material world, i'm sure there are people that like the physicality of them in the same way i like the textures and sensations of books.

God I remember the "are ebooks real books" discourse from the early 2000s, how miserable

I love physical books! I always have at least one physical book that I'm reading at all times. I also love my kindle because of how many books I can get in it and I'm usually also reading something there. And I always have a book that I read on my phone because I like having that option when I'm out and about or tired of scrolling on social media. If the ADHD didn't make it so hard to follow audio narratives for me, I'd probably have a fourth book in audio format in the rotation as well lol

in reply to @kukkurovaca's post:

huh I didn't know that about audiobooks

maybe it is part of it

I wonder if "being able to do something else while listening" also contributes to that perception. Like it's more "passive" than reading with your eyes and effort is considered an unmitigated good in our culture