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cathoderaydude
@cathoderaydude

edit: it's the customers, as expected, but now I have a better picture of how they can slow things down this much.

i arrive to find two people in line

car at front: sits at window for 15 literal minutes. receives single drink

car after them: sits at window for 15 literal minutes, receives single drink

me: pulls up to window, places order, receives drink within 2 minutes

what could they possibly be doing up there? there can't be a beverage that takes 15 minutes to prepare, I would think, and it can't just be "they're busy" because then I would have to sit at the window for 15 minutes at least once in a while, but this has happened well over fifty times, and not once have I ever had to wait more than 2 minutes for my order, even if there's 10 people in line and only one person working. It has to be something these other patrons are doing to slow down the process, but I can't fathom what it could be.


cathoderaydude
@cathoderaydude

may have some clarity on this. I was aware, of course, that people order drinks with 30 things in them, and I had no doubt that was stressful to prep, but I just couldn't figure out how you could fill 15 minutes doing it. I've never heard anyone actually give wall-clock figures on how long those actually take, only how irritating they are, and I couldn't figure out how the processes could add up.

by my math, fifteen minutes would require at least thirty operations at thirty seconds each. i could see how a trip through a blender or milk foaming could cost that much time, but that only accounts for a couple operations, where do the other 25 come from? those absurdly long drink tickets always seem to be mostly syrups and toppings, which should only require a couple seconds each, I would think.

@chirasul advises me, though, that those are capable of ballooning into much larger time sinks due to many things, including cross contamination control, which I had not considered. I have not worked food service but I have talked to many people who have, so I'm aware of the sheer amount of ones shift that is spent washing your hands. It didn't occur to me that that would apply to drink making as well, but of course, right?

It's also just tough to imagine that this is so consistently the cause of the problem unless pretty much everyone other than me orders these baroque things, but... it is a common complaint, so maybe that's just all there is to it: I'm the only person in seattle who just orders a mocha.


hellojed
@hellojed

I notice this phenomenon at every joint im at, from Dicks to Taco Bell to every coffee shop. I am in and out in 30 seconds because I decide what to get immediately and dont ask for alternatives or anything complex. I just think other people are subconsciously incompetent at ordering things


lilrawk
@lilrawk

Hello!! My Other Job is basically doing this!

A customer has ordered a single complex milkshake, a reese's pb shake, and has added other flavors and candies as well. There's a timer on the work screen, when it hits six minutes, it turns a scary red. They're in the drivethrough. I remove my gloves, walk over to the window, and ring them out. Another order has just come in behind them, and it's similar enough to be complicated, but made of different things. I have two orders on my screen. I walk back to the work station, wash and dry my hands, put on new gloves, and begin the first drink. A third drink order pops up on my screen. It's much simpler, a hot mocha latte, and i breathe a sigh of relief.

The first drink contains peanuts, so i have to get out the peanut tools, a seperate blender and things that are labled (PEANUT ONLY!) from below my station. The special blender is missing! I walk back to the dish area and find it in shambles from a drink previous. I remove my gloves and wash it properly, by hand. I return to the drinks station, set it down, wash my hands, and put on another pair of gloves. The timer reads 5 minutes now.

I get out the right size of cup and fill it with ice. Ice goes in the special blender. I retrieve the rest of the ingredients from the fridge below. Hmm, there's not enough reeces in here. I go into the walkin and grab another tub of reeses. It's not coded since i just pulled it, so i remove my gloves and print a timecode for it. I set the new tub down, wash my hands, and put on new gloves. I scoop the ingredients into the blender, carefully using the assigned peanut tools. The barspoons are missing. I ignore this, and use a half-cup scoop and eye judgement for the rest. Toss the blender in and set it. It chugs for a predetermined amount of time, about a minute and a half. Ive gotten peanutbutter all over my gloves at this point. I change gloves. Pour the drink, set the peanut blender off to the side. Whip cream. Toppings. Lid. The timer now reads 7 minutes on the first drink. Bump it. I walk it over to the customer. Ring the next one. Walk back, wash my hands, put on new gloves.

There's peanutbutter everywhere. I clean the pb blender and put it's tools away, as well as all other nonrecurring ingredients for the next drink. Its a brownie bite raspberry shake with caramel swirl. I remove my gloves, wash my hands, and put on new gloves. I fetch a barspoon from the dish area, a halfcup isn't going to cut it for this one. Can't spread a cup swirl without a barspoon. Go back out to the drink station. Gather ingredients, put them in the regular blender. Blend. Swirl cup. 12 minutes on the current drink timer, 11 on the next one i haven't started yet. Whipped cream is empty. Get a new one from the cooler. Gloves. Wash. Gloves. Whipped cream, swirl on top, brownie on swirl, lid, walk it out. Apologize for the delay. Ring next customer. It's not the next drink customer! It's an online order. Ring them out, fetch their order, give it out.

At this point, the one simple mocha latte order has sat without even paying for 15 minutes. They pay, i return. Wash. Gloves. Empty the old grounds from the espresso machine, wash the steamer wand. Milk goes in the steamer, wand goes in the milk. New grind pod goes in the spress. Measure chocolate syrup into the bottom of the cup. Turn on the spress. Begin steaming milk. Spill some. Remove both from machine. Stir chocolate into the coffee, pour in foamy milk. Lid, cup sleeve, serve.

From the customer's perspective it took me almost 20 minutes to make that drink. I am not getting a tip.

EDIT: it's worth noting that

  1. I actually do enjoy my job! It gets stressful, but many of the regular customer interactions are worth it. The place I work for is very nice, and they take care of us workers.
  2. I work night shift, and we're the only place open after 11 in my town that isn't a bar or the hospital, so the usual customers I see are either blankly inebriated or just spent five hours in the ER for stitches. The hospital staff all order online in bunches and send a security guard to pick up their lunches. 1am is usually when the hospital staff orders come in. 2am marks the barfly rush, which lasts until about 3, whereupon we're left to clean up and get ready for the next rush of construction workers at 4-4:30, then normal breakfast from 5-7.
  3. this is a normal, non rush description. During rush periods, or AHOD hours, it's rare to have one person stationed at the drinks like this. Workers are expected to hop from one station to another as needed. So that drink that does take 5 minutes on a dead night might be waiting 20 minutes before someone even gets to the station to start it. I'll play expediter and keep track of food orders going out while ringing out on front, hopping over to drinks based on the timer on expediter, so that most orders are waiting the same amount of time to go out. It's a game of timing, and I fuckin LOVE RHYTHM GAMES.

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in reply to @cathoderaydude's post:

And I mean, fifteen minutes? It doesn't sound that long but man, I can't figure out how one could fill all that time no matter how many ingredients or devices you're involving. After six or eight you'd have to be running out of potential tasks

in reply to @cathoderaydude's post:

I've never worked at a stand but I've got about five years of drive-thru experience at the big corporate coffee chain and nine times out of ten it is the customer doing something to make this transaction take much longer for everyone involved. Sometimes this can be benign, like just having a good conversation with whoever's on the window, but most of the time it's something like their preferred payment method not working or a last-second addition to an order at the window. The latter bit seems like it shouldn't add double-digit minutes to an order fulfillment but we're all running in routines so customers adding things at the window requires more than one person to pull themselves out of routine, fulfill the request on the fly, and then get back into routine, and I really wish it were so easy to do that as it is to type that.

And every now and then we goof up and it turns out there's not an ingredient prepared for an ordered beverage and have to also drop out of routine to get it made so we can make the drink. That one's on us, sorry!

Can you make this a post so I can share it? Was hoping someone would chime in with experience! And yeah I was 100% putting this on the customer, I just couldn't figure out what they could even be doing to slow things down this much and so consistently, but it makes sense now

in reply to @lilrawk's post:

goddamn. i hated reading this from a point of view of how much went into it, but also having the deep seated understanding that for what you're doing this is kinda exactly how it's meant to be done.

I actually find joy in some of the complex drinks! It's fun to make something pretty for somebody, even if they are just going to gulp it down. There's one where i work that adds "layer the caramel on the bottom, add whipped cream to the center of the cup, more caramel, then add mixed drink" and it comes out looking like a cowtale candy! it's even topped with a mini cowtale coming out the drink itself. Very fancy.

It's more the stuff with the timer that makes it a nightmare for me, I think. If I were doing that, every distraction and extra step would weigh on my mind the entire time. And I do not want to subject people to my nightmares ;=;

Ah, yeah. The timer used to be scary "you're not working fast enough!" but during the beginning of the pandemic corporate saw these timers go way up and started to instead use them to put "wait time" meters on the app and order points, so customers would be aware of the wait. We were instructed to work normally and not bump orders off of screens early so that the estimated wait times were accurate. Rather than making it a race with a punishment for tardiness, it became a deterrent to customera that would not want to wait so long. It still turns red, but now it's more of a "this order has been waiting a while" rather than "HURRY UP, DIPSHIT!!".

while PEANUT ONLY is very funny, man, I feel like I could not do this. I would screw up and someone would get allergens in their drink. -_-

This is why I tip no matter what. If the food is late or messed up my only thought is "sure sucks that somebody else made this person's job hard, better tip bigger because they're having such a tough day"

You get used to it. Rote memory kicks in and "7oz ice cream base, one scoop frappe, three shots of vanilla..." just comes naturally. As for the allergens, there's little else for it other than to hope the customer with said allergens is well aware that it's a non-zero chance of contamination. The big 8 (well, 9 now) are very difficult to contain in a commercial fast food kitchen, so that goes for everything in the store. And given the kind of workplace that it is, workers do tend to have some fun with it. There's a counter top for the regular drink mixing bits labeled "ABSOLUTELY NO PEANUS HERE!!! NO!!", and it's been there since day one.

one of my memories from the Taco Bell on 148th is "my coworker has caused beef to appear in this Indian child's bean burrito, probably by accident" and ohhh my god it's like a renaissance painting of the crucifixion. nobody here is enjoying this thing that's happened. the vibes are wretched and you still have to, at minimum, break protocol to apologize and also replace the food

I remember having to very quickly invent a tofu dish once because a customer was a strict vegetarian and we were a sushi restaurant. There's fish stock in everything, even a lot of the vegetable dishes.

The fun one for cross contamination stuff though was just... Fuckin meat, man. I still have a skin condition after ten years of having to wash hands dozens of times a night just because I had to grab a steak or worse, prep chicken. We deliberately precooked the chicken for teriyaki even though it cooks in no time, just to avoid the cross contamination control involved in handling the raw meat. When I worked at a KFC once, they basically treat the entire chicken frying part of the store as a quarantine zone almost.

Hah, the fish thing was actually a problem in the tofu story too. :D We had two friers, one for meat, and one for veggie tempura only, so at least that was separate. But we did anything with potato starch for breading in the meat fryer because it dirties up the oil and will leave gross flecks on your delicate tempura, and you fry tofu with starch, so our usual fried tofu option was off the table. I actually wonder now how many vegetarians got served with tofu fried in fish oil because no one had actually thought of that until someone asked.