lexyeevee

troublesome fox girl

hello i like to make video games and stuff and also have a good time on the computer. look @ my pinned for some of the video games and things. sometimes i am horny on @squishfox



when you credibly suspect the audience of being hostile, it becomes remarkably difficult to talk about things you like. that feels like exposing a weak point, something to attack. even if i don't think i'll care too much if someone picks on a thing i like... why give them a chance to take the shot in the first place, right?

and this was always hard for me in the first place. i guess the problem is that it's easy to define thresholds for basic quality. so i can criticize things for falling short of some bar, and it feels reasonable in the sense that it is based in reason, and perhaps that's not even entirely incorrect. but to like something is a very squishy concept. i feel like i can't justify it. and for what i'm sure is a big ugly thicket of reasons, if i can't justify what i'm saying, i don't expect anyone to listen to me.

of course this got worse five years ago, when i became acutely aware of a cluster of people glaring over my shoulder at all times for any opportunity to make a fuss about anything i said. i don't feel the constant breath on the back of my neck any more, but it happens just often enough that i can't forget about it. someone is always watching, waiting.

that feeling has been hard to shake, even though it might only be a handful of people at this point. it's not even worry about what they might do, specifically, any more — it's just the feeling of the eyeballs. it's hard to just forget about that sort of thing. i am slightly on edge rather a lot of the time.

like, i've had people sneer that i stopped hrt. i stopped taking a drug, into my own body, and this is bad. why would anyone even care about that, let alone gossip about it? i have no idea. but then, i've also had people blame me for my cat's death from an incurable disease. there are no lines that i can be sure won't be crossed. no matter what i do, someone might use it as an example of how i fail to live up to some standard they've often created for this exact purpose, which then justifies continuing to scrutinize me. it is bananas and nothing will ever make it stop.

this is almost certainly why i stopped doing the tech blogging thing. long-form writing takes a lot of fairly personal energy, and i could not summon up the willpower to spend that energy on... who? i didn't even know. some people. suddenly the loudest voices had become cruel and dedicated ones, and that has a way of drowning out the few folks going "cool post"

(i guess this is long-form writing though)

(and it wasn't entirely that stuff. i was kinda running out of steam in general. the posts were increasingly tending towards being a 101 overview of something i knew about, and it just felt increasingly impersonal, like i was summarizing a page of documentation someone could just as well actually be reading. and tbh i can only do that so many times before i run out of things to 101 about)

i felt it on twitter, too. trump's campaign had already turned it into kind of a hellscape of constant political bombardment, but i feel like at some point i had to used to tweet about things. things that were interesting, things i was doing, i don't know. but at some point it just turned into my being vocal about how the latest bad thing was bad. i kept promising i would talk about something else, but i kept finding i didn't have anything else i wanted to talk about.


something that sticks in my head from ages ago, pre-2018, is (i guess) my last interaction with @cathoderaydude. we had been twitter mutuals for a while, few years maybe, until i realized one day that he had sort of disappeared. turned out he'd blocked me.

i tried to find out why, and it had been over a blog post i'd written about music theory. i was trying to get into composing little ditties for my games, and i'd found music theory (or, more broadly, "the way everyone who knows things about music talks about music") to be largely impenetrable for this purpose. i don't remember what he said exactly but the gist was that i was insufferable and just bitched about everything.

but the post had been titled "music theory for nerds" — because it had finally sort of clicked for me what the fuck everyone was talking about, and i thought that would maybe be helpful for other people in my position.

maybe i was too critical, but i don't think my underlying frustration was unreasonable. i was mostly working with trackers, but everything everywhere that talks about music assumes you have a solid grounding in the sort of stuff that you pick up from playing an instrument. and i'm not trying to do that. so even basic stuff like calling the notes A, A♯, B, C, C♯ etc adds a lot of friction, because i have to keep stopping and thinking about how far apart they are, because i don't have built-up muscle memory for that. i just know playing two notes N steps apart sounds good, so i wish i could just have them numbered, because my background is less in playing piano and more in... modular arithmetic. so my takeaway was that this kind of indirection was very annoying when i just wanted to know what notes go together so i could go try them out and see what happens, and it felt like everything everyone wrote about music was written in a foreign language. often literally.

and sure, whatever, someone didn't like my blog. but this in particular stands out to me because we had seemingly been on good terms, and then he did a complete 180 and was so incredibly bitter about it. (well, and also because y'all keep mentioning him.) and... why? i'd found a thing hard, because that thing wasn't designed for what i was trying to do, and i wished it was less hard, and i was writing about it to try and help make it less hard for other people. i didn't expect anyone to change sheet music. i didn't think everyone who could read sheet music was, i don't know, wrong. and most of my posts were written like this — i hoped readers might come away having learned a thing. that was the whole idea.

it's been so long that i don't even remember any other interaction with him now. this was just so jarring that it floats to the top whenever i'm reminded of him.

the only other thing i remember is that the last time i heard about him before cohost, it was because he'd written a 30-tweet thread complaining about gimp's text tool. (which isn't even, like, catastrophically bad.) i don't understand what the rules are.


and, i don't know. i like to write with a bit of a dramatic flair, because it's funny and entertaining to me, and it seems to be funny and entertaining to at least some number of other people. i don't think of myself as any kind of authority on anything, and i don't ever expect anyone to take a blog post as a serious call to action. but sometimes people read my writing and interpret it like it's a callout post, like i'm definitively stating how the world ought to be and rejecting anyone who doesn't already adhere to it.

i guess that happened with the piracy post... which, ironically, i cranked out in a bitchy tone because i knew the people i was annoyed with would have no reason to listen to me or change what they were doing, so why effortpost about it? let's just vent.

but some people took it as a scathing critique of... whatever they were personally doing, maybe? one reader thought i was gatekeeping leftism, which feels like the polar opposite of what i thought i was doing. at least one or two thought i was condemning everyone who consumes mega-corporate-produced media and thought they had caught me out by observing that my name is eevee. several people called me bad-faith or an instigator, suggesting that i am some kind of fake person.

and that all sucks because i don't want to upset people for no reason, of course

but i'm just now realizing that it also sucks because the venting was, itself, a form of vulnerability — here was a thing that had gotten under my skin, and by griping about it, i was admitting that there is a nugget of a thing i care about in there. maybe that's part of the problem; i don't want to be too vulnerable so the post comes out kind of vague and distant, and that makes it somewhat open to interpretation.

the upshot though is that now my primitive fish brain thinks "oh i guess was wrong to care about that then", even though i know rationally that doesn't really make sense.

i don't know what to do about this


there are some weird dynamics at play with posting too that i don't really know what to think about but

for one, i have absolutely no sense of who my audience is here. i don't even know how many of you there are. it could be 50; it could be 5000. and unless you followed me in the last 15 minutes, i don't know who you all are or what you're like. i don't know who of the people i know are following me, either. i can't even check out profiles to get a vibe check very easily, because a bunch of you followed me while you were still in time-out. so i'm writing to an unknown audience of unknown size, which is kind of like writing on my own blog, except it's much more convenient for people to yell at me if they don't like it.

it's also kind of weird to react to a post like it were something inflicted on you. i'm certainly guilty of this too, but it doesn't... really make sense. as the author, i didn't choose to put my post on your screen. you did that, by following me, or by following someone who also thought my post was good. on cohost, i don't even know you're there!

and then a bunch of people left similar angry comments, which do go directly to my screen. something about this feels asymmetrical.


sort of the opposite thing happened with the itch stuff. someone in my discord even said they thought i was trying to ruffle feathers with my very first post about it.

i was not!

what i saw was some people freaking out because they perceived the following chain of causality: "itch has taken action against several adult devs' accounts" → "this is probably because they don't like adult work, as per usual" → "therefore itch is coming for all adult games soon"

so what i wrote was an explanation of the position i thought itch was in, because that provides an alternative to the second link. if you can't think of any other reason for itch's actions, then "they hate porn now" is all you're left with. i wanted to give different possible reasoning that wouldn't lead to "and we're all doomed". i thought that would be reassuring? i guess @bigg did not think so

and again this is a kind of vulnerability, because i do care about itch, and i've interacted with some of the people who make it, and i think it's good and precious and one of the few platforms not run by a gigacorp beholden to investors demanding infinite exponential growth. i think that's important and i care about it a lot. so i was sad to see people treat itch like it's just A Corporation and instantly assume it was tossing people overboard for some arbitrary reason decided by the board of directors somewhere.

so that seems to be the opposite problem, actually: when i admit i care about something, i become incapable of shutting up

hm.


every so often i resolve to post more little tidbits from fox flux, and then i don't do that. i wish i did, i think.

i'm not sure if that feels like exposing vulnerability or not, exactly. i think it might feel vulnerable in a slightly different way — that if i post too many of the elements from a puzzle game, wily readers might catch on to every trick i will possibly come up with, and then the game will be very boring for them.

that seems highly unlikely but it's a feeling that's a bit hard to shake

i guess also, all i can really share are these tiny one-off elements out of context, and i don't know if that's... interesting. a puzzle game is about puzzles more than individual mechanics, surely, but if i show the puzzles then i'm giving away the game?

i have a similar problem with narrative games, where even if i could share bits of them in an accessible way, i'm basically playing part of the game in front of you

maybe i'll scrounge up some recent gifs and put them in a post and see what happens though


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i remember thinking it was good! i thought i was helping make sense out of something that did not make sense to a casual newcomer, someone who just wanted to dive in and fuck around

anyway thank you

Hi! I follow you, and, for what it's worth, I followed you back on Twitter originally. I'm not great at long-form writing, so this may come off a bit... terse? Weird? Idk, I'm doing my best.

I like your writing. I don't think I ever caught the music theory post, but it sounds like something that would have been helpful to me at least. It feels weird to me that people think you're trying to ruffle feathers about stuff like the itch thing, because it felt obvious to me that you were just trying to show that there are other reasons why itch was doing what it was doing.

It sucks to feel like people are against you for, especially when they're against you for saying something that you didn't actually say or mean! Sometimes it feels like people are just trying to find a reason to be mad at you. Idk where I'm going with this, but it fucking sucks.

I really enjoyed the Fox Flux demo. I've been meaning to get on your Patreon, but I have terrible ADHD and keep forgetting until it's like, way past when I should be asleep..

I hope this shit gets better, and I wish I had better advice to give.

Sometimes I see people complain about two different things that are bad but where one is a really, really different scale, where like, someone on tumblr sighs romantically about ah, the pain of being known because of something relatively minor, and then how that same idea doesn't really translate to the similar-seeming situation of being, well, stalked.

I'd like to see you post the cool stuff from your puzzle game. I think that'd be neat.

thanks for this.

I've been thinking about something I've heard from a variety of people about cohost, which is that they don't get interaction here, or they don't get satisfying interaction here. And, it seems like even when people interact with posts, negative interaction has a lot more affordances than positive interaction, and constructive interaction has almost no affordances.

I'm thinking, e.g., if you write something that makes me mad, it's easy to just go off in the comments.

But if you write something that inspires a response, it's "easy" to repost with a reply underneath, but it doesn't scale well (I don't think). Posts with long stacks of replies are my least favorite part of the timeline here ergonomically, and anything I would effortpost in response to your post is doomed to be lost to the general public unless they are tag-searching the exact tags you used (because tags I add don't make my post show up in that tag's feed). So if I wanted to jump off from this post into #some informal remarks towards the interpersonal calculus the result would end up disconnected from the rest of that series.

And if you write something that would inspire a conversation, like if I partially disagree with you but want to talk it out, the post-reply format seems too heavyweight but any conversation we have in the comments is doomed to be crushed up against the right-hand margin after not very many interchanges. I find it to be unpleasant to write and unpleasant to read.

So, maybe that's why interaction tends to be unsatisfying here? The comments provide affordances for fluffy one-liners and substantial negativity. but inspiration and constructive discussion are clunky.

(I realize I'm responding only to part of your post, and there's a general frustration you're expressing with people projecting their own issues onto the way you engage with topics you're struggling with out loud. But I only have brain right now for the one subtopic; the other really does deserve the interpersonal calculus write-up ...)

yeah it might be kind of a shame that long-form share-responses are only known to me, and are otherwise lost. i don't know the exact reason for that (maybe it's just a thing they didn't get around to yet, even), but i hesitate to push for any kind of change since i've also had some not-fantastic experiences with tumblr reblogs

yeah, i think i recall staff mentioning a few months ago that shares showing up in tag feeds is something they're not sure they wanna do, bc people can like, add whatever tags to a share and then suddenly oh no your post is infront of an Audience You Didn't Want. i get why they don't do it. but it also doesn't help for the already rough discoverability here either. dunno what a solution could look like either.

the damage inflicted by twitter on the global internet consciousness is genuinely horrifying to see! i do not understand why people are still like that even on cohost, like god,,, anyway i hope you're doing alright despite it all

Twitter isn't the cause, though, just a symptom. There was plenty of this sort of interaction on social sites before that, like Livejournal and private forums and so on. Twitter certainly intensified it and made it seem like a more appropriate way to be (because of the perverse incentives of the engagement/analytics loop), as have the other major social media platforms, but it's a lot easier to react to and spread negativity than positivity.

i cannot emphasize enough that a couple people were aggressively angry about what a nice place this is and how dare i ruin it

i hadn't even been talking about them! but they were certainly talking directly to me

hey. you know what's really funny? "my being vocal about how the latest bad thing was bad" – i really don't like reading negativity. for example i'm like quite annoyed when "everyone" is angery at some service/software changes that i'm neutral or positive about. and i… don't really remember you being negative about being anything at all ever?? maybe this is just because i quit bird dot hell in 2016 and you only posted that there but idk it's still funny to me rn

well it's nice to have some confirmation that i used to be more chill and i'm not totally imagining it lol

there was a definite downhill trend after right about 2016 and then it just sort of torpedoed straight down after 2018, despite my repeated attempts to do better

i had a micro breakdown when i left twitter bc i realized that (a) even the cool people i followed still retweeted (or outright posted screenshots) of horrible garbage all the time, and i couldn't get away from it, and the only way i knew how to get it out was to also tweet about it, and (b) i'd made some slam dunks about NFT grifting which had somehow doubled my follower count, and now i would get a thousand likes on any kind of popular-thing gripe and a fraction of that on my own personal work i cared about

I've been reading you for ages, since when you were semi-frequently posting python articles on your blog. And then on Twitter, and then here. I have always found your writing charming and informative, and I feel terrible about things you've been through. Maybe your writing is just... distinct: thought out and well-articulated, so even when you yourself is still not sure what the conclusion is, it's easy for people to latch onto a specific thing you've articulated so well, and believe it was your whole point. And true, cohost makes it much easier to jump into comments compared to a standalone blog, where you have to at least click through the rss feed to jump to the article when you don't even know beforehand if the blog supports comments.

ah, thank you. i've been feeling very iffy about my own writing for a while now, what with this stuff... keeping on happening. if i think i'm saying something, but multiple people are adamant that i said the opposite thing, it feels like words don't even mean anything any more and i can't rely on them

"it's also kind of weird to react to a post like it were something inflicted on you. i'm certainly guilty of this too, but it doesn't... really make sense."

This bit actually stuck out to me a lot because it's something I found myself thinking about before I even got to it.

A lot of the anger and even larger scale social dynamics I see on social media feels related to the fact that posts are "inflicted on" people, not by the author, but by algorithms and 'share this thing with my followers' buttons and the like.

For novice internet users, the effect's like, pretty obvious. We've all seen the weirdos showing up to yell at a writer/artist/whatever for something being on their feed. But it's definitely gotta have some effect on even people familiar with how these sites work that you simply do not choose what you see in a meaningful sense.

I might not be wording this the best overall but I guess kinda tl;dr we're monkeys pulling on a bunch of levers to try to make engaging with a social web a thousand times larger than we're capable of internalizing pleasant in a way not even people younger than us were dealing with in their formative years. On top of that there's powers and expectations directly fighting this goal even coming from people affected by it, and there's no real discussion or education or critical thinking about this going on for most people and damn it sucks

As someone with an actual background in music, I thought your music theory post was pretty good as a casual introduction to things! I've noticed this weird trend lately where when non-musicians with a tech background try to talk about music, a lot of gatekeepy weirdos decide that this is another example of tech being Bad, and things always explode from there.

I personally have a lot of unhelpful thoughts about people who have decided they are A Composer when they don't have any actual experience or history with making music but they really love the music in some darling indie game and "how hard could it be" or whatever, but I don't blame people for trying to learn how to make music. It's such an amazing thing to do! And it's really hard to do well! And maybe the knowledge for how to make it should be more accessible!

And of course, people learning how hard something actually is to do is a great way to get people to really appreciate those who actually can do it.

i guess tech companies have a tendency to barge into a field, go "wow this is all so messy, wonder why!" and then try to improve it with something that doesn't solve any of the problems they didn't bother learning about. but like i'm not founding a startup to sell you Sheet Music 2.0 here

on the other hand, maybe it's for the same reason C programmers are so snotty about basically anything else — music has a lot of ancient magic to get through that takes a lot of effort, and anyone suggesting "maybe i shouldn't have to do this effort, it doesn't seem like it's really the important part" isn't committed and doesn't deserve to be here etc.

Benn following your writing for a long time, and I actually really appreciated the itch post.

I also remember appreciating the music theory post, though it's been a hot minute since I read it, heh.

it's disproportionately, unfairly agonizing to go through the rigors of socializing Online, with people otherwise total strangers. yeah there's perhaps a lot of joy to be had there but also, getting blocked by someone you think well of and didn't realize was starting to find you kind of annoying or whatever? awful!!

except..... really we ought to be taking care of ourselves and it's only fair, we don't owe strangers anything and we should be able to block other people for whatever reason too, right

but, hang on,

that's actually pretty fucked up isn't it.

socializing at scale must actually be horrifying psychologically, it's no wonder we are all having such a fucking bad time

I also followed you here because I was following you on Twitter, back when I was actually on Twitter, because I liked your posts (and still do). I don't remember the music theory post, but I missed a lot of what happened on Twitter because I kept taking breaks from it. And because it was impossible to read everything on my timeline until I started using a different account that only followed a few people, none of whom retweeted a ton of tweets every day.

About people getting upset that someone is disagreeing with the then-dominant narrative (such as with your itch post, but I've seen it with other people and posts as well), and complaining that the disagreer is disturbing the peace by pointing out inconvenient facts (or just being skeptical of the conclusions others have jumped to), I'm reminded of MLK's comments on the white moderate and negative and positive peace: "but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice." Obviously, the stakes are much lower here, but it seems like a similar phenomenon. I wouldn't be shocked if hellsite trauma is leading people to demand a negative peace, but what I also keep seeing happening is that people identify with their ideas and feel personally attacked if anyone disagrees with them, and they lash out in response. Or if they mistakenly think someone is disagreeing with them, like with your piracy post, because they failed their reading comprehension roll.

(I'm probably going to upset someone who reads this and thinks I'm saying they're a moderate.)

  • I don't know if this is an evolutionary thing or a socially conditioned thing. I'm not a sociologist or whatever field would study this.

Just wanted to say that I've been reading your stuff since FurAffinity days and have always found them some combination of entertaining and insightful. You definitely have a knack for finding the sharp edges in any social space--a potentially positive talent that I think is underappreciated.

So many people in the comments who are longtime fans of Eevee and here I am only knowing about her and her cool stuff for a few months now.

I hate to see that you and Glip have had such painful lives prior to now. Without much of any understanding of the context behind many of these recent posts relating to The Saga, as you call it, from the outside it looks completely deranged. I will never understand the part of human nature that seeks to belittle and inflict pain through lies and manipulation upon others.

But that being said, I feel really lucky I found you by accident, since not only did I find a cool video game, I found the whole Floraverse, a cool community and a cool original world that you and Glip have been working on for over a decade. It's really neat to see what you two have done together, yet sad to see how much persistence through bullshit you've had to do. Thanks for keeping going until now. The things you do are still creating positive influence.

Hi Eevee. I don't have much to say and I don't really post. But I lurk and I read your posts and I want to let you know that I appreciate your presence on the internet, and I feel like you make the world a better place