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bruno
@bruno

At what point does it become a notable amount of pornography? Is it purely a matter of volume or does like, breadth of different types of pornography count? Does one just go on imageboards and count the tags? Could one compel wikipedia to accept a page about any other media property by using those kinds of numbers to justify it?


kaara
@kaara

this confusion goes back to the difference between what the word notability means in common parlance vs in wikispeak. The talk page user is likely confused about this, as is @bruno.

It's an understandable confusion. We take notable to mean...well...notable! If something is notable it must be a big deal and important and everyone should know it and it's something really worth knowing and so on and so forth.
On Wikipedia, notable has a much more specific definition.

For something on Wikipedia to be notable, it has to be worthy of notice. This does not translate to fame, importance, or popularity. What makes something worthy of notice, then? What does Wikipedia mean when they say notable?

"A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

This is the GNG, General Notability Guideline. In short, something is worthy of notice if a significant number of reliable sources have written about it. and oh man have a lot of people written about overwatch and porn - 38 distinct references on that page specifically more than sets a clear picture of Overwatch & Porn being worthy of notice.

There are exceptions, of course, and many editors arguing all the time about notability, but the standards in your head and the standards for Wikipedia are just different.

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in reply to @amypercent's post:

in reply to @bruno's post:

For a few ridiculous years there were several OW characters on Pornhub most searched for, and both it and Bioshock Infinite are largely responsible for Blender's popularity (Or is that a persistent rumor?)

They were, quite literally, game changers for hentai/video game pornography

A cursory search through Rule34.xxx brings 85329 (counting Overwatch 2 tags as well) entries, which compared to long-running franchises like Final Fantasy - 88492 entries - and Sonic - 92999 entries - really drives the point of how quickly and how large it grew. It was notable, in several ways.

Its also, admitedly, very goofy that it has its own Wiki page, but I can't say its unearned.

in reply to @kaara's post:

As a layperson, I'm passingly aware that Wikipedia cares about "notability" and has its own technical definition thereof. But I have to ask: should that definition bleed into the article itself? The article (as opposed to the talk page) has a target audience of non-Wikipedians, so it should be using the word "notable" in its common definition, not its Wiki definition.

the usage of the word notable in the opening sentence (assuming that's what you're mostly referring to here) should be and is likely being used in the common definition. To disagree with that is reasonable and I should be nicer to the talk page guy about it.