taste me, as the food and drink Alice found almost said. she was cast unto a stormshorn sunderedsea. you too will fall beneath my waves in time.


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lookatthesky
@lookatthesky

Systems where there are two linked attributes, and change in either attribute induces change in the other, are really interesting.

I'm specifically thinking of air masses here— if air gets hotter, then it expands and induces less pressure on its surroundings. Conversely, if air has more pressure induced upon it by its surroundings, it's going to get hotter. And correspondingly temperature drops cause contraction and expansion causes temperature increasing.

This sort of system in which two attributes have a deep interplay with each other is pretty interesting. If there's a change in one, it'll change the other, and then because of that other things might happen to change the first one, causing a cycle of changes of states.

Dynamical systems are pretty interesting, and I don't have a lot of deeper understanding of them from a mathematical perspective— so I might mess around with a feedback system like this in @SnepGem's (still work-in-progress with a fractal-visual drawing feature in the works!) L Toy tomorrow.


lookatthesky
@lookatthesky

The thermoelectric effect consists of two separate ideas— you can use a temperature differential to induce a current (called the Seebeck Effect) or you can use a current to induce a temperature differential (the Peltier Effect). this Steve mould video explains these effects pretty well.

in that video he also mentions a similar interplay can be seen with Stirling engines— you can use rotational kinetic energy to induce heat or you can use heat to induce rotation. The video where he talks about them is here though I skimmed through and didn't hear much mention of the rotational -> heat component.

I suppose this interplay just very often exists with heat (and more specifically heat differentials perhaps?), maybe just because thermal energy permeates everything and is pretty easy to affect or tap into. I'm curious if there are examples of this dynamic that don't involve heat, or ones that are less physical.


MercurialBadger
@MercurialBadger

These are known as Onsager-Prigozhin's equations in nonequilibrium thermodynamics.

Non-physical examples include osmosis and reverse osmosis (duh), where pressure is related to chemical potential, membrane electric potentials where electricity and contentration gradients are coupled, or basically any plane of dimensional stability of successive biogeocenosis. Physical non-heat examples include electromagnetism (obvious, yeah?), mechanoelectrical couplers (RAILGUN), Einstein effect of photovoltaics fame, and many others. Funny heat examples are thermodiffusion/ thermophoresis, and the fact that to heat up a star you should cool it.


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in reply to @MercurialBadger's post:

Learning about dynamical systems in school heavily influenced how I think about my gender as a state space, with inputs outputs and variables that evolve over time, that is embedded in an environmental context. I also don't have a deeper understanding of them mathematically but used (and probably misappropriated) lot of the concepts in dynamical system theory to think through gender

I am a student of Yavorsky and Tverdislov, and as such believe "dynamical systems theory" to be a statistical physics misnomer and aestheticized pointless abstraction, to quote Arnol'd, so I am not sure if your comment is pleasant for me

Like I said, I'm not familiar with it on a deeper level. I was introduced to DST through a cognitive science lens and honestly never liked or could fully wrap my head around models of consciousness grounded in DST. It was however, a catalyst for me to think differently about my gender as a young uni student is really all I meant to convey. Sorry that the comment was unpleasant and way off-topic.