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i'm a boy from indiana and this is very emotional for me


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dog
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Anyway, this is all just furthering my feeling that the era of social media as we knew it is over.

With Twitter still dying (active users down 30% in the last year!), I've seen more and more discussion of where everyone's going - but what I'm seeing is that most users aren't. The numbers don't line up; more people are quitting twitter than are joining Bluesky or Mastodon or anything else. Which is what makes me think the era of participatory social media is ending.

This isn't just because of twitter dying. I remember reading in Garbage Day a year or two back that Twitter was seeing active posting go down in the early days of the pandemic. People kept using group DMs, but stopped posting. And as much as Adam Mosseri's "people aren't posting, they're just sharing links in group chats" comment has to do with the site culture he built, it's the same phenomenon - many normal people pulled back from posting like they would have before. Meanwhile, the fastest growing things were TikTok and Youtube, which have a highly stratified audience/creator relationship that's more like traditional media, and Discord and Telegram, which are non-public facing social media.

There are people like us who post, who need to post to survive. But it seems like for a lot of people they're simply losing interest, or are happy to settle into a more passive relationship where they "consume content" but don't post.


dog
@dog

It's hard to say why exactly, but it feels a bit like...

Most social media now is algorithmic, and algorithmic timelines are more designed to deliver streams of "content" to "consumers". They don't encourage the everyone-is-posting-and-interacting way that social media traditionally worked.

A lot of social media is enclosed behind loginwalls now, and I think we both have a younger cohort that doesn't remember the older public web at all, and an older cohort that's starting to forget what it was like. The enclosed social web lends itself more to the creator-consumer dynamic than it does to posting.


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in reply to @dog's post:

yep, i agree.

i don't like it because i think it's important that important (sometimes tacit) knowledge isn't gated by being part of the right scene. or power, that should be less gated by that, too.

but i don't blame people - posting publicly is exposing. the worst case scenario is that you have your life ruined. the best case scenario is... i dunno, you find a community of people you care about? you can do that in a Discord! you can see some funny stuff? you can do that on TikTok!

in reply to @dog's post:

Makes sense from a capitalist perspective; people sharing stuff around doesn't have the same opportunities for advertisement as someone trying to be a full time creator and having to pick up sponsorships all the time.

I'd like to think it's more nuanced than that... probably more to do with the fact that the heavy algo makes trying to be publicly visible fucking terrible unless you've got very thick skin or are willing to put up with it for money.

Yeah I think you're onto something - feels like we went from the "lurk more" era of forums to "just fucking post whatever, everyone's doing it" back to "lurk more" because being Noticed online is like having the Eye of Sauron upon you.

Yes, but also: beyond "losing interest," being a public participant on social media has also become very unpleasant over the past decade. There are many structural things to cast blame on, but the end result that I've experienced (especially as part of a cohort of marginalized creators who used to use twitter as more of a public water cooler) is anti-social behavior, whether from individuals or larger movements, just making it suck to have any conversation in public. My friends no longer see value in publicly joshing about a random anime on social media (at least not under their professional names); back in the day you could casually replicate a convention conversation, joking with your friends and maybe getting to make a new acquaintance or learn more about a peer through it. My husband got a job from chatting with another creator about HunterxHunter on twitter! But it doesn't even take a big culture war hate campaign to make all that suck; just enough people being weird in your mentions, or fans taking both the sincere and the shitpost in bad faith. I say I "left twitter" but I only left "main twitter" -- all my friends are spread across a Venn diagram of enclosed private twitter bubbles because participating publicly is neither emotionally rewarding nor good for their mental health or their careers. Their needs for moving away from Twitter are privacy and visibility options so they can take their insynchronous group chat somewhere else. We're not making new friends anymore -- at least, not on the public internet, not in the same way. You find a person you jive with and you ask for their Discord so then you can have a "real" conversation. It sucks! I wish it wasn't this way! And I wish I could blame the algorithm for it! Cohost felt different and a step back in time in a lot of ways, but could people still be rude and make you uncomfortable? Absolutely! I've been rude and made people uncomfortable here.
I don't know. Even when the system isn't rigged against me from using the internet like I did in my 20s, it just... kinda sucks to do it. I admire the people who can be vulnerable online to share cool ideas and make connections with others online. A lot of people have just been burned by existing on the internet and now have to choose to either be the most professional versions of themselves or nothing at all.

I say all of this fully aware that I am a person who uses my professional name and a picture of myself on here because I'm from a generation of pseudo-professional cartoonists that's used to doing that and got stuck with it, and that is not most people on this website.

I'll never stop fighting.
To my final fucking breaths this shit is so serious to me!
Out of so much shit that there is to make and share and learn and discuss and.

I'm so alone, I'm trying to make it to Philadelphia but a lot needs to go right first for that to happen.

So i'm in this room.

Cohost made that room feel more like a portal to a community, a place that felt special because we all took the scariest move and started sharing and posting.

I love the new garfield, and all the queer comics that don't exist anywhere else, that can't exist anywhere else.

I will fight to keep the dream of cohost alive!
I wish i could cry so badly right now.
I will become a 'power-user' if it means I can keep the fight going.

I'll learn how to use a console.
I'll learn how to script!
I'll do anything! I dont give a FUCK about techjobs or excelling in the field of Capital. Its all fake bullshit and none of it leads to the satisfaction you get when you work on a hobby out of love, and every little day by day you see yourself get better!! that's what it means to me!! I hate that all my fbm dms are just links!!! We don't even make those silly/stupid cat memes with bold text!! I'd take that if it meant it was OC stuff my friend made just out of a funny idea they had.

I have so much burning want in me to just keep going.

We went from apps that brought humans together to apps that used AI to pipe a human's creation to consumption.
It's no surprise to see it evolve to its logical conclusion: apps that are just AI that pipe AI content for humans to consume.

An MMO that morphed into a singleplayer game.

You know since you are talking about the creator/consumer divide vs a posting community, i wonder how well the 90-9-1 rule holds up . If people are becoming more passive i would assume that to be reflected in the stats in some way, but i have not kept up with the more algorithmic sites to actually know if this is the case.

Will say though, as a huge lurker the main reason I've used social media is because it sort of replaced places where I used to be able to consume information and discover things. I was never very interested in the social part(for that i've always gravitated towards chatrooms with like a couple dozen active people at most) but the other wells dried up so they became the de facto place to be. I wonder if part of the reason things are unpleasant is because all users were shoved to the same place despite having wildly different needs, and only some of those groups got their needs catered to in ways that were detrimental to others.