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hi everyone,

we wanted to share an update regarding our previous financial update. If you haven’t read that post yet, go check it out first.

in this post we want to respond to some common questions and suggestions, provide an update on what we’re planning to do next, and tell you how you can help.

the numbers

first off: an update on how numbers have changed since our update on Monday. we’ve seen a large increase in cohost plus subscriptions, exceeding our expectations significantly. these numbers are accurate as of yesterday, March 14th (stripe only updates every 24-48 hours):

CategoryAs of March 14As of March 11Change
Active subscribers3,3112,630+25.9%
Monthly Recurring Revenue (MRR)$21,467.49$14,536.03+47.7%
Subscriber churn rate1.63%2.63%-38%
Revenue per subscriber$6.48$5.53+17.1%
Monthly active users (MAU)30,14929,846+1%
MAU -> Subscriber conversion rate11%8.8%+25%

this is all, objectively, really great! it has been motivating over the last few days to see how much cohost means to a lot of y’all. even with this boost in MRR, we’re still operating at a loss of, on average, $17k per month, so we’ve got some other plans to help make that up.

the good news is the cash infusion from this recent subscriber wave (a bit over $20k after payment processing) combined with some funding offers we’ve received means we’re comfortable saying we’ve got at least six more months to make up that shortfall in one way or another.

more details follow! keep reading!


common suggestions

we received a lot of suggestions and ideas in our last post. we liked all of them and spent a lot of time going over each and every one. keeping the above numbers in mind, here are some of our thoughts.

shut up and take my cohost plus

any time we talk about our financial situation a lot of people start posting about cohost plus. we appreciate this a lot! cohost plus is an incredible way to support us! if you haven’t subscribed yet, you should check it out.

the astute reader may notice, however, that we don’t tend to promote it too heavily whenever we talk about cash. there is a reason for this.

as of march 11th (before the financial update), cohost had about 30,000 monthly active users and 2,630 active subscribers. this leads to a conversion rate of about 9%. our churn rate (the rate at which people unsubscribe) is 2.6%. these numbers are, frankly, absurd. if we had a macguffin that could enable a subscription-based company to achieve a 2.6% churn rate, we would have all been assassinated for it by now.

the rate at which people subscribe to cohost plus (and stay subscribed to cohost plus) is astounding. we’re really grateful for your support. when you have numbers this good, though, the diminishing returns of further subscriptions are intense.

at our current deficit of $17k, we would need to sell an additional 3,400 subscriptions to cohost plus — this is more than doubling our subscriptions, which is not a realistic goal with the size the site is right now.

please subscribe to cohost plus if you can afford it, and you think the site gives you $5 worth of enjoyment a month. every subscription narrows that deficit by $5 (or more, if you want to sign up multiple times!). but we’re going to need more than just cohost plus to break even.

time to put on the biggest fundraiser this town has ever seen

another suggestion we received in the wake of this week’s post was to take a one time injection of cash through a fundraiser. obviously this isn’t sustainable, but the goal isn’t sustainability here, it’s to get us to the point where we can be sustainable.

given the deficit and the time it’ll take us to build out some of the features we want to build in order to reach sustainability, we will need some more cash. however, we don’t think a large fundraiser is the right way to get that cash.

in order to fund 6 months of development, we’d need about $105k. for the same reasons as listed in the cohost plus section above, this would be a really hard number for us to actually achieve. to use wikimedia’s (in)famous blurb: if every active cohost user gave $3.50, the fundraiser would be over in hours. you’ll notice, though, that wikimedia’s fundraisers don’t last hours. getting 30,000 people to raise that much money is a monumental task.

beyond the practical issues, a one-time fundraiser carries substantial risk: there is still a solid chance we aren’t sustainable in six months. the idea of us taking this much money from users, only to fall short at the end, makes us deeply uneasy. cohost plus allows for continued development at a small monthly rate; a massive fundraiser is for a specific goal. if we fail at that goal, we fail every single user that paid to help us get there.

while many of you may read this and say “I would be fine with that,” (and if that’s you, we really appreciate your generosity) we don’t anticipate that being the universal response. we’re not writing it off, but while we have other options it’s not our favorite choice.

ads!

the most common suggestion was to run some kind of user-friendly advertising scheme. we would never rely on any third party ad broker for a variety of ethical reasons; the only thing we would consider is designing some way for a user to purchase ad space to promote their own work, art, business, or funny joke to other users.

there are a few pros and cons here; various ad systems are something we’ve been talking about for a long time. at the end of the day, we do not think untargeted home page image ads (especially animated ones) would make the site better, and we think making the site better has to be our first priority with anything we build.

more specific ads, such as the ability to place one of these banners in the sidebar of a specific tag search, are something we would consider, but there’s a lot of work we need to do before we could roll something like that out. tagging is currently a wild west in general, and we believe that some sort of tag grouping or synonym system (which is on our next-six-months roadmap) is necessary in order to make these sorts of ads useful — and such a system also makes tags more useful for everyone, whether or not they have something to promote.

we’ve also thought about allowing people to promote posts, akin to tumblr blaze. but we don’t want to do promoted posts, at least not right now, both due to technical limitations of the site right now and questions about the signal-to-noise ratio. we might revisit this down the road, but for now we have other ideas.

when we think about how we would want to do ads, we want to do something that’s a good fit for our userbase, as unobtrusive as possible while still being useful. we want to prioritize artists, streamers, and people making shitposts; we aren’t trying to sell ads to Verizon.

we have a good idea what that looks like, we started building it this week, and we’re gonna try to ship a beta by the end of the month. our working name is “artist alley,” and we’ve got some details below with more to come as we get closer to launch.

our plan going forward

we believe that the best way for us to make money sustainably is to increase our active userbase. even if our subscriber and churn rates got worse, a doubling of our active userbase would be well worth it. it’s not easy convincing people to come to a website on the edge of sustainability (the curse of transparency). as such, we believe that the development of features that make cohost actively worse to use are a non-starter. anything we do needs to forward our cause of making cohost a better place to post and interact. with that in mind, our plan is roughly as follows, subject to change as necessary:

  • as we said above, we will continue to need short term funding to develop cohost. we have received some very generous offers we are considering for bridge funding from users, and we have also been able to reestablish contact with our initial funder. it will be a few weeks before we actually have any paperwork signed, but we are confident that the site will continue operating for at least six more months through one or more of these avenues.
  • develop and ship “artist alley,” a take on user-to-user ads we feel good about — a dedicated space which users can access to see promotions from other users, like an artist alley at a convention. users can promote their artwork, business, and products and they’ll be able to direct you both to their cohost profile, and any storefronts or other resources they have set up off-site (etsy, patreon, kickstarter, etc.) we hope to have a beta version finished within the next 2-3 weeks for you to begin using.
    • interested in something like this? tell us how you’d use it and what you think a fair price would be! email artistalley@cohost.org with some information on what you’d promote and what you think you’d pay for a weekly spot in our artist alley.
    • we do not anticipate artist alley to fully cover our deficit, but we hope it can narrow it significantly, maybe by 10-20%.
  • continue development of eggbux, our tipping and subscription platform
    • taking money from someone is easy, taking money from someone and giving it to someone else is a lot harder; tipping will be our first step in making sure this system works, not a product we want or expect to generate significant revenue. once we know tipping is working well, we plan to launch subscriptions, which will have a small (~5% or less) platform fee.
    • again, we don’t expect this one product to fully cover our deficit, but another 10-30% would make a big difference.
  • continue developing cohost to ensure the experience is positive and attracts new users
    • the best way for us to make up for our deficit is to have more active users. the best way to have more active users is to make cohost better.
  • if features like eggbux and artist alley can bring the deficit down below $10k a month, promoting and improving cohost plus to cover the rest becomes significantly more doable; at that point we’re also in striking distance of being able to close the rest of the gap with things that are entirely in our control.

thanks for using cohost

this is a difficult time for everyone. none of us want to be going through this, but we’re feeling a lot more optimistic than we were on Monday.

thanks for using cohost and sticking with us. we’ll keep sending out updates to y’all as we get new things to share. keep an eye out for artist alley and send us your thoughts about it to artistalley@cohost.org.

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Have you considered hosting a fighting tournament calling upon fighters all around the world to earn the title of champion? I think if you charged $10 a ticket for spectators you could raise quite a bit of money on an international fighting tournament. You could split the money between development costs and the championship cash prize.

Hell yeah! Happy my extra subs are contributing! :eggbug-smile-hearts:

Other than excellent posts on here, I do love cohost for all the independent creators on here whether it's artists, game devs, writers, etc.

The algorithm and general flood of posts on places like twitter and bluesky have made it hard to discover new things. Meanwhile I have found many new things from people sharing their own work on here. So giving users the ability to promote is exciting.

Am considering looking into it myself personally if I can fit it within my own project budget. :eggbug-wink:

yes and no. we expect that if we were to post an update in 6 months saying "yay, we're breaking even" that our churn will suddenly slam upward. we also expect that a 2% churn is impossible to sustain and will collapse.

cohost plus will need to be part of the equation when we talk about the combination of revenue generation features that can get us toward breakeven. it is not our plan to expect miracle numbers ad infinitum.

I’m planning to keep my Plus sub at the current level regardless of what MF does, and I bet many others feel the same way. I want the site to be a going concern long term, which is only possible when MF stops being a benefactor.

Is making export tools and whatnot going to be a priority over the next few months?

Honestly, this is the second time now that we've been a few weeks from not making payroll and get a big influx of donations because of it and things look better. What's actually stopping it from happening a third time?

we do have export tool improvements on the roadmap over the next few months, yes.

nothing is stopping it from happening a third time. its completely possible that 6 months from now we aren't close enough to sustainability to continue at our current labor expectations. cohost may become a part time job or a no-time not-job for some or all of us. under no circumstances would the lights get turned off overnight, even in that scenario.

the downside of being a tiny scrappy company trying to make a scrappy product on business models that are extremely difficult is...well...being really scrappy and working with dangerous and difficult business models. one of the biggest differences, if anything, is our transparency around that fact.

important question: will we be able to use artist alley for things that are not self-promotion. like if we just wanted to go "hey look at my cat/basil/THE FROG OF THE MONTH" would those be cool and acceptable "ads" to run

In any case I am super glad to hear that things are looking up. :eggbug-smile-hearts: Transparency can be a bugbear, but I fully believe that while it might spook some people away from the platform, it'll do far more to attract the sorts of people who are really willing to give it their all to make sure y'all succeed.

Ooh, that's a GREAT idea honestly... as someone with nothing to promote, I would absolutely love to submit silly stuff for the sake of supporting the site, but I do worry about taking space away from those who actually need it for their business. This would help a bunch there!

I imagine it must be frightening to be so transparent but I really appreciate it. I've loved the community that this site has created and really want for it to survive.

Hell yeah! I'm quite glad to hear that the situation has gotten that much less dire that quickly.

Also, as someone who's probably staying on here for as long as the site is running, whether that's six months or multiple decades — I'm seconding the question about export tools, and also wondering about non-manual account deletion. The former is both a fairly important feature to have generally and something that seriously needs to be ready in case there's another urgent funding scare, and the latter is… …a pretty unusual feature to not have, at least from my experience.

Where do those fall on the development roadmap?

Given the circumstances, that makes sense, yeah.

Is there any clear threshold at which you'd pivot from working on the normal roadmap to prioritising export tools and other things that would be necessities in a sunsetting scenario?

(Also, thanks for responding!!)

Weird thought about eggbux — what if users could determine (within some window) the percentage cohost was given?

Personally, I know I’d be extra compelled to consider using eggbux as opposed to something like Comradery (which hits rock bottom fees by being a creator/member co-op) if I had agency over the allotment to the site—and honestly, it would definitely make me consider giving a larger percentage than I’d be okay with any platform forcibly taking…

Also, a strong commitment to not de-monetize (or invasively ID for) +18 content might get people from patreon and gumroad etc. to actively join for eggbux!

its a tough balance to find. if we were to add some sort of slider or box to give to us, you might be incentivized to give less to the creator.

its tricky, and we've spent some time thinking about this in particular.

Yeah!

In my own, “what if I’d stood up a payment processor for artists because I like to draw porn and cut code with friends”, musings we’ve seen two parallel ways around this:

On the tipper side, creators could set minimum tips (this works better for knocking off itch.io where it unlocks a pdf, other media, or even a shipped product), then cohost also sets a minimum and the user gets to decide if they’d like to tip extra to either cohost or the artist or both.

Or on the artist side, being transparent about where the minimum fee is going — and then letting the artist choose to give more of their tip to the website. I.e. the artist would pick if they lost between 3-10% of that 5 dollar tip… knowing setting their “to cohost” %age higher would lead to longevity of the site. Also, artists who made more might be able to afford to voluntarily let cohost take a bit more, so bonus points for the social experiment of voluntary income scaling.

I don’t know why you’d want to do this… but variations on this have been consuming my brains for about a year—so if, for some ungodly reason, you wanted to bounce ideas of a random person—I’m very here

i like these ideas. i also think the clear visibility about things like processor fees (possibly even on the tipping form itself) are really valuable for the purposes of trust and goodwill.

people are much less included to begrudge a X% fee if they know that most of it goes to thirdparties/middle-men that the platform has little control over---probably moreso if it's clear that the reason those fees are high are due to the commitment to adult artists

I'm guessing setting a maximum is tricky, because if it's too small, there's a chance there's not enough coming in to make it worth doing; if it's too big, cohost seems greedy.

another idea is, to have two maximums for "eggbug's share", both clearly communicated: a fixed maximum, something like 20-30% (example from other storefronts, not a representative number), that cohost will never plan to exceed; and a variable maximum, usually significantly less than that, which changes based on e.g., subscriber churn/gain rates or some other numbers - but be transparent with that algorithm.

that way, anyone can select between 0 and that day's variable maximum to contribute, and creators know, at minimum, they will receive a set percentage of the contribution.

sorta, but I don't think Humble had a maximum, you could give 100% of the proceeds directly to Humble, which sucked for the smaller studios like Introversion, meanwhile EA and the like shrug it off.

Due to the fact that Gumroad just banned NSFW content from their platform I think subscriptions built into an artist and NSFW friendly social media site like Cohost may have larger adoption than anticipated when it's done. NSFW artists are tired of having to continually jump ship and rebuild their following just to continue making a living and Cohost subs could be a big draw to those who constantly have that sword of Damocles hanging over their head.

For me personally, I've always intended to use SOME subscription service for my art and comics some day when I get off the ground and hadn't yet decided on which one. The idea of having eggbux as an option that I can use to also support the only social media site I've ever felt good about puts it at the top of my list as long as it has the kind of functionality I'd need by the time I need such a service (probably at least a year away).

Good luck eggbuds. 👍

This comes with a massive risk, the reason the other platforms banned it is because payment processors will cut you off for it. If Cohost gets kicked off and has to go to some less than stellar processor who will look the other way, they are going to have to pay way more in fees, and that's going to affect not only tipping/subs but Plus subscriptions as well. So if you structure your selling point as "we allow NSFW", you either have to accept a huge cut to your revenue, because if that's the audience you cater to specifically then banning it later won't get you very far.

As someone who's been having a lot of Thoughts about this over the past couple of days, and who is not (currently) able to spend money on here (and thus feels less qualified to be critical), I will say this:

More transparency is good.

Responding to criticism (which I see happening in the replies) is good.

I truly hope you can find a way to make this site sustainable.

The Artist Alley concept sounds so cool! Wish you could call it something like "Promoted Feed" that's clear and straightforward but unfortunately the Rest of the internet has rotted terms like that so everyone would want to avoid it like the plague based on the name alone haha. But... something Feed would be very interesting to peruse!

I would also suggest as a natural way to integrate a system like that with the normal browsing experience while also increasing the value of the promotion for the buyer, would be that promoted posts with tags get "featured" in a little sidebar on the page for that tag, so anyone viewing that tag page can still see the most recent posts, but their eyes might also be drawn to a little side-feed of sorts showing any currently promoted posts.

just make sure this artist alley is actually easy to find. if it becomes something a large amount of the users dont even know exist, because they dont visit a specific tag or they dont click through a certain menu button, it wont have enough reach. i also think maybe artist alley isnt a great term bc people might want to advertise things that arent "art" in that sense (both funny joke ads, or advertising their recipe blog, or podcast, or something).

I’m assuming by “the money” you mean the user fundraiser?

There are more issues than the ideological and ethical. In fact, the practical concerns were the first point we brought up!

abandon some of your idealism

Broadly speaking: no

thank you for these very open and educational financial updates!

there is no audience I would like to promote my work to in an artist alley more than the self-selecting userbase of cohost

All my other thoughts have been covered by other people so the only new thing I have to add here is that I am excited for synonymization in the tags! I really like the way that the OTW does tag indexing on AO3 and hope that you all will be able to achieve something similar.
As a suggestion: maybe make a button so that users can suggest tags to link together as synonyms? That would probably go a long way in helping establish the synonyms and keeping up with new tags and terms people use for fandom stuff and identity politics and literally everything all of the time a little bit of everything all of the time

unfortunately, the way ao3 tagging works runs on huge amounts of volunteer labor, which is something cohost wants to avoid. that said, i would love to see something like that here of they can figure out some way to do so without having people manually go through every new tag that gets created

What are your plans for payment processor back-end? There are basically no payment processors that aren't extremely hostile to sexual media, especially fetish oriented media. Recently Gumroad banned all pornographic media from being sold on their platform. Patreon has been pushing kink after kink off the site. Paypal is know for strong arming sites into following what they find acceptable. And other big name processors such as Stripe and Payoneer ban all sexual services (art, games, photography, any and all forms of sex work) from their payment processors.

Additionally, FOSTA and SESTA make anything related to sex high risk to you as a site. Multiple sites shutdown or purge pornography in response. Will Cohost be able to moderate the site to insure it can't be construed as enable sex trafficking?

What has been discussed with regard to sexual media and the risk it poses to you as a social media site? Especially a social media site with a large queer community. Anit-porn policies disproportional hit LGBTQ+ circles.

Sorry one more question because it's a bit unclear:

as we said above, we will continue to need short term funding to develop cohost. we have received some very generous offers we are considering for bridge funding from users, and we have also been able to reestablish contact with our initial funder. it will be a few weeks before we actually have any paperwork signed, but we are confident that the site will continue operating for at least six more months through one or more of these avenues.

Is money coming from the initial funder, or is said paperwork referring to the bridge funding offers?

This financial update is quite a bit more optimistic than the last one, so I'm very happy to see that. Also, a huge thank you to the subscribers of cohost! plus! We're making a difference!

Gumroad and Patreon deciding to shoot theirs and everyone else's dicks off today makes Eggbux all that much more critical. I've been pushing cohost to my friends and to communities I'm active in, and having a platform that isn't trying to cut its users off at the knees is really important. I upped my contribution level per month after the last post for cohost plus, and I'm hoping and praying that the path to sustainability (and profitability!!!) is within reach. Thanks so much for the continued transparency.

Man, I too wish I could consistently miss my job's deadlines, hit existential threat levels of crisis twice a year, and keep getting funded by a mysterious patron to keep I also passing the hat to gather my clients' goodwill while earning 90k a year. The true dream.

This is really great news. I'm glad we've got (at minimum) a few more months. Artist Alley sounds really cool as well.

I'll repeat a suggestion I made on the last thread. Make your merch site prominent. Put a link to it in a place where it can't be missed. Maybe even in the drop down menu. That's easy money right there, even if it isn't great money. Every little bit counts, right?

As for ads: The site existing is an improvement over the site not existing, you know. :p I would also argue that having ads show up can be an improvement; I've found some of my favorite webcomics and shops from random user ads on like, Flight Rising. If people really can't stand it, they have adblock.

Artist alley sounds like a cool implementation of it though and I'm looking forward to seeing it in action.

I think a lot of commenters on here have are missing the point of this site. These four people are trying to make a website that goes against every established, predatory standard in the industry. This is an ideological experiment, and there is a very real possibility it will fail. I will be so sad if it does, but this won't be the last one trying to break away from Big Social Media. I've learned loads about what type of media I actually want to see and interact with, undoing a lot of brainwashing from targeted algorithms and click bait. And if anyone finds their unwillingness to sacrifice morals "unethical to the userbase," the responsibility is on the user for putting in too much on something that has been incredibly transparent about not being stable.

hey genius, they're not gonna be paid at all if this whole thing collapses because of not having adequate revenue to cover expenses

most of the people I've seen criticizing their financials want the site to succeed and by extension want the people working here to keep getting paid

but if they can't stop running out of money, no one's getting diddly-fuck

you following me or do I need to slow down

I was thinking this a lot while reading. Some of the things people are suggesting to boost profitability are contrary to the entire reason this website is good. If it started doing normal website things to make profit it would be... a normal website.

artist alley... combine it with eggbux and you got a marketplace for artists, instantly filling another now-dying part of the internet, being a place for independent artists to sell nsfw digital content...
this is gonna pop off unbelievably hard if done right, and I have the most faith that y'all will do your best with it!

Please consider adding PayPal or Patreon funding options. I'd sign up for Plus immediately if either were an option.

Other than that, I have zero issue without whatever ads you gotta sell to generate revenue. I've already whitelisted the site for if/when that happens.

Ideally yes, you buy a piece of software or an account, and you have it forever, and some companies do this (JetBrains, for example, give you an offline license for the current suite version when you buy an annual subscription, which is yours in perpetuity), and I think this model works very well for software, but for web services it sadly just doesn’t work unless the business has other, larger revenue streams. Tangent: this is also why you should never use a VPN service that offers a lifetime subscription.

i get where you're coming from, i doubt that's sustainable though

i feel that way myself about media (though i often capitulate)---i don't like only having access to music/shows/etc as long as i have a subscription

however, platforms like cohost feel more like a service that i use on the regular, and therefore pay for on the regular. like getting a haircut etc. it'd be silly to be like "i will only get haircuts if i can buy lifetime haircut"

this overlaps with a lot of the suggestions made but if you aren’t already familiar and it would be helpful to see how another site has incorporated a lot of the financial avenues cohost is looking into, the site https://www.pixelcatsend.com/ has been doing unobtrusive user to user ads and a (forum style) artist alley in a way that feels very friendly and focused.

They also recently(ish) started implementing a way for artists to design decorative items that other users could commission (the way they were planning to do it was a bit complicated, I can’t remember the details) but I wonder if it might be possible to do a similar thing for emojis?
(might be more complicated for cohost because of differences in structure and previously implemented features to build from..)

we have also been able to reestablish contact with our initial funder

glad to hear. regardless of whether further funding from them is at all possible, i’m glad you managed to regain contact with your friend.

anyway what about tumblr blaze but instead of boosting/sponsoring a post, it’s just like a “thank you cohost for letting me see this post” thing or maybe even a “spend five dollars to let the poster know that you hated/loved their post”.

thank you for making cohost

Thank gosh! Honestly, getting a subscription is one of the first things I'm gonna do.

As a suggestion, maybe take a note from Ko-Fi:

Ko-Fi users have two options. They can either give a small percentage of their tips to Ko-Fi and have access to more features, or buy a 'premium' subscription for those same features. Either way, users get fun stuff and Ko-Fi gets more support. I personally have it set so that Ko-Fi can just take a small bit of any tips I get.

as a non-artist, I am SO looking forward to the Artist Alley feature, it sounds like a really good way to accept ads that actually benefit the userbase! seriously glad things are looking up. thank you for making Cohost, this site is one of the last good things online.

... But why isn't this posted in the cohost corner.

Why do you refuse to post these financial updates in a place where a normal user can see them?

And please don't say "follow staff", important updates about the site should be visible to everyone on the site or at the very least communicated via email or a site popup or something.

I don't want to sound ungrateful, I want this site to succeed, but I bet a good chunk of this site's userbase has no idea of what is going on. I only found out about this post because I was trying to see the previous financial post to check up on something!

a staff post wouldn't even work because it's so easy for posts to just get buried and never seen

i have seen your comments from people elsewhere, btw -- the same "i had no fucking idea this was going on until someone else sent it to me" -- and i agree that it makes no fucking sense that something this important is literally invisible unless you directly go to the staff account

pillowfort puts a "donate!" link in the sidebar with a direct measurement of the site's monthly funding level. this place has an announcement box, it should be used

Hell I follow @staff and I never ever see any of my posts on my timeline, because it immediately gets buried. If it had an algorithm there'd be no problem, but now these posts are effectively invisible 98% of the time. I wish they'd at least acknowledge comments like these instead of.... radio silence.

In the thick of all the commentary, I'll say this much:

I'm actually kinda cheerin' for y'all now. Especially re: what Gumroad and Patreon are doing.
Not gonna pretend to have 'big thinky ideas', just... do your best, staffers 💜

(Ok maybe a little snark. But also thank you for treating eachother like actual people and not disposable tools, despite the wishes of a couple capitalism-poisoned shitlibs :3 )

We saved eggbug for a few more months! Artist alley sounds like a dope idea, I'm all for being able to discover things and occasionally being rickrolled or sent to a page that transitions seamlessly into a Cristal ad or whatever shitpost ideas they have.

I'm not exactly somebody using the site to post my stuff, more using it to share stuff others made I think is cool, and I'm not currently able to support, so I dunno how my opinion compares to "popular" users, but... (Note in advance: this is not me dunking on you guys! Just offering my perspective cuz I really want this site to stay.)

  1. It's worth noting that it doesn't seem like most people who actually use this site consider user-to-user ads to be as intrusive as you, staff, do... So I feel that you should very much consider that when thinking about which things would make the site "worse" to your userbase? Especially as something that would make it easier to keep the site up?

  2. If you're doing the Artist Alley thing (name pending; I agree with others that finding a less artist-specific name for the overarching feature might help folks better understand what it is) instead of regular ads of the type from my first point... PLEASE PLEASE MAKE THAT VERY VISIBLE ON THE SITE. "Not intrusive" is an admirable goal, but "so unobtrusive that users can forget it exists or have difficulty finding it, especially if like many techie people they have ADHD" would be a problem for people wanting to use it. My day job is directing people to features in a program I help provide support for, so I can see the impact of this kind of issue in real time. I'm personally excited for this, cuz I love seeing new, passionately made art!

  3. Similar to #2 above, please make these financials posts more visible and don't hide them from the feed on the side, as various folks have requested? If one of your goals is transparency, or indeed connecting with users who would like to know if the site is in dire financial trouble, so that they can help... These last two updates not appearing in a particularly visible place (unless someone specifically follows the staff account) feels like it kinda contradicts that? Forgive me for the personal analogy, but it's kinda like with a person who has mental health problems; if somebody who cares about them is never given an opportunity to see that they're struggling, that person might never be able to get help that would have been enthusiastically given by their friends. And that could lead to bad outcomes.
    It does potentially open you up to naysayers, I suppose (I see at least one here), but those people weren't going to help anyway and aren't your target audience, as far as I understand. I also agree with everybody who said on the previous post that a bar for how much the site needs to keep going may help folks better comprehend the needs of the site, cuz I don't think most people using... anything on the internet?... think about that so much without being told.

  4. I agree with folks stating that if you're able to navigate getting NSFW artists of all sorts paid via Eggbux, that could be a huuuge draw for the site! I wish you the best of luck on it, cuz I know that ain't easy all on its own!

I really enjoy this site and the culture it's created, and recommend it highly to people, so I deeply hope all of us can keep it going! Thanks for caring about how the site turns out, folks.

I like the artist's alley idea a lot! I honestly have no idea how much I'd think is a fair price for it, because I've never actually participated in an artist alley before, but as someone hopefully finally releasing a VN this October I would love to expand my player-base from my 3 friends to 4, or even 5 people!

Not sure if people who aren't already subscribed to cohost plus will read the comments this far down but: I finally did it and got the plus myself! Been pushing this off for far too long (and without a good reason, to be honest) and felt a bit bad about that when I learned about your dire financial situation through the (first) March update.

ANYWAY: don't be like the past-me, be like the present-me and help give cohost a push - because every other social media platform sucks foot.

It's probably already been thought of, but with Artist Alley if the ads could tie in with the tagging system, I think that could be useful to avoid seeing advertisements/ art one isn't open to. Not sure if that might defeat the purpose of something like that though.

Honestly I am very excited for the idea of the artist alley, both as someone who'd like to buy an ad-space for it and as someone who wants to support other artists' work. It'd be so helpful if we could sort the artist alley by tags, so if I'm looking for say washitape or a specific fandom I know where to go.