JAMES LIPTON: So when you make a game, right—
ME: Well, hold on a second there. I want to push back on that just a little bit, and say that frankly, I’m suspicious of the idea that a “game” can be “made.”

Matthew Seiji Burns is a writer and director who works on game-like things and other things.
JAMES LIPTON: So when you make a game, right—
ME: Well, hold on a second there. I want to push back on that just a little bit, and say that frankly, I’m suspicious of the idea that a “game” can be “made.”