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Mattiboything @mattibee5/8/2024, 10:15 PM

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jane, of score @janederscore5/8/2024, 9:04 PM

it just drives me crazy bc there are a dozen different low-effort ways to build this place from a mess into a Functional mess but they keep pressing forward on things like patreon 2 which By Their Own Admission will almost certainly operate at a loss

artist's alley is a very small step in the right direction but it also feels so begrudging. like ok fine here's your ad space are you happy now. we're putting it here in this little corner where nobody will see it. the perfect opportunity to more or less revive the idea of project wonderful And immediately populate it with ad buys and its just shunted over into a classifieds page. i guess at least it's got filters

#.jtxt #im honestly very interested to see what the long-term clickthrough rates on artist alley ad buys are bc i have a feeling that after the initial excitement wave those numbers are going through the floor

jane, of score @janederscore5/8/2024, 9:17 PM

like there's literally a user-created script to hack the cohost corner (an intrusive and mostly useless feature that isn't updated often enough and should be in the footer) into an artist alley display . people who use this website are literally breaking it open because they Want to be served ads by their peers and the website has no interest in accommodating that. its unreal

#.jtxt #just. just do banner ads. just put like two unintrusive banner ads on your website that people can pay for. its seriously that simple #leave the classifieds page too its useful for what it is but like also please serve these ads in a way where people will click on them.#im gonna become the websites joker.

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#Yeah like. Artist alley being shoved into an easily forgotten corner is like. My only complaint with it so far #Like if it wasn't just like. Essentially a desperate website fund id feel a little scammed paying ten bucks to put an ad behind like 3 walls #One wall for the separate page and two more for sifting through filters and shit posts

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ProtoDot @ProtoDot5/8/2024, 11:01 PM

When your users are actively asking to be advertised to, I'd personally oblige. Just feels silly not to.

Sage @acori5/8/2024, 11:52 PM

I dunno, I like it the way it is. I hate banner ads, even if they come from my own community. I hate being shown the same thing over and over. I like having all that in a feed I can visit when I want to and sort chronologically. I get where you're coming from, though. I'd be okay with the banner ads if you could toggle them on and off without paying a subscription.

@ProbablyNothing5/9/2024, 12:15 AM

Doesn't even have to be banner ads. Just put the Artists' Alley stuff alongside the feed, where the updates panel currently is. Let the user define what things they want to see in that space, and how many things they want to see per page. It seems super obvious, and since Artists' Alley is already a random feed, I can't imagine it would be terribly hard to implement.

jane, of score @janederscore5/9/2024, 12:21 AM

i think ideally having it be a toggleable, opt-out feature would be the best way to handle it. i definitely think there are a lot of people who just don't want ads served to them Period, or only want to seek them out themselves, and that should be a respected position. but, from the perspective of an ad buyer, its an extremely low impact mode of advertisement for even a 10 dollar buy-in.

its a little early days to get hard numbers, but anecdotally so far i've seen a few creators talk about the minimal traffic (and, more importantly, traffic-to-purchase conversion) they've gotten from their ad buys. this is in large part due to two problems: a) the ads Are Not Being Served, and most users are not really going to actively go navigate to the classified ads section of their own volition frequently, and b) a disproportionate number of ads are just shitposts.

that second thing is actually a huge contributor to the problem because, as someone mentioned in the tags on a reblog of this post, it puts Multiple walls between you and any ads that you'd actually be interested in seeing.

in order to make artist's alley a compelling ad buy, i think cohost would need to implement the following:

coherent standards for advertisements published by AA (sorry about the shitposts but they gotta go (at least to some extent))
an opt-out ad serving model that will place either banner-style ads (ideally where the cohost corner currently is (put that shit in the footer my god)) Or inline ads infrequently into the timeline
sorting what ads to serve users based on their bookmarked/frequently used tags (a non-invasive method of serving ads that you actually might want to click on (this one might be slightly controversial but there is a level of personalization in advertisement that is actually beneficial to the end user))

anything less than that and the feature will remain a niche posting avenue that sometimes might occasionally get you an extra sale or subscriber. also this is a shitload of text SORRY

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