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Multiverse ideas are common but often ill-formed since they rarely seriously interrogate the question of "which universes exist?"

Max Tegmark formalized a simple idea that any universe is "real" if it has a complete mathematical description

a consequence of this idea is every computer program is a universe

in other words humans create tiny self-contained universes that we can insert avatars into and move around in, extract sounds and sights from

and we treat this as utterly mundane




Science is inherently incapable of answering the question of first origins

science is an infinite descent of "but why?", a five year old responding to each answer with the same question

if we say the big bang created the universe we are scientifically obligated to ask what caused the big bang

religion solves this problem by simply defining a primal mover and naming it "God"

but really all this means is religion allows itself to respond to "but who created God?" with "shut up"




There are really two problems: "Why something and not nothing?" and "Why this and not something else?"

the first you can maybe just ignore because, demonstrably, something exists

the other question is rough, our universe is weirdly specific. there's only one universe so why this specific one

multiverses offer an answer to first origins that are compatible with a scientific worldview

the reason why things are this way and not some other way is that somewhere else, things are different




Scientists call this the "fine-tuning problem"

the Standard Model of physics has about 25 arbitrary numeric constants that are just hardcoded into the equations

but these numbers are not quite arbitrary enough, that is some of them if adjusted even slightly appear to produce a universe with no useful chemistry and as far as seems possible no life

they seem "finely tuned"

if the constants are random, how did we luck out to get the ones supporting self-aware structures such as ourselves?




So multiverses can provide a satisfying answer to the fine tuning problem

(similar to how the "rare earth" problem is resolved by the existence of a visible universe)

(the solar system is finely tuned to support life, but we can assume this happened by chance because there are many visible star systems and therefore many trials to get it right)

however it is important to remember this is a philosophical answer and not a scientific one

in fact this is not scientific thinking at all




Try defining things this way: science tells us what is happening and philosophy tells us how to feel about it

(this framing sounds like it is belittling philosophy, but it isn't)

(feelings are important)

(you can't do science without philosophy because you need philosophy of science)

(philosophy of science tells us which scientific theories to prefer over others, in other words, scientists ultimately pick the theories they feel good about)




The multiverse answer to origins is a philosophical trick for letting ourselves feel comfortable with an uncomfortably random universe

the philosophizer concludes an infinite number of universes feels more plausible than a single overly arbitrary one

but has no evidence any of these additional universes exist

and has no model for how the multiverse is structured, or if they do, they have no way to evaluate it against competing models

nor is the idea of the multiverse falsifiable




Despite this some physicists have started leveraging the philosophical idea of the multiverse as if it were a scientific one

mostly string theorists

the 11-dimensional M-Theory bulk or the ensemble of universes possible under the KKLT construction

they call this the "anthropic landscape" and propose logical reasoning about it should be considered a new field of science

they seem to be unusually good at securing book deals




This is how it works

consider the "landscape" of all possible universes

applying the "anthropic principle", discard (as irrelevant) all universes with no life

perform statistics on the average universe within the set that remains

this is the universe you are probably in




There are so many problems with this

the construction admits outlier universes exist, but self-aware structures in the outlier universes would find the anthropic argument exactly as plausible as lifeforms in typical universes do

the philosophizer assumes they know which ensemble of universes exist in the multiverse, and can predict which environments self-aware structures can endure, all baselessly

and again there is zero evidence for any of this

castles of air built atop castles of air




The "multiverse" of star systems that solves the rare earth problem is scientific

we can create a model of stellar evolution and evaluate it against competing models, say Giordano Bruno's

we can experimentally confirm or falsify the model using telescopes

whereas multiverse anthropics adopts an idea based entirely on how convenient it would be for academics if it were true

and then imagines it can be used to solve real-world questions




That the string theorists got so lost in their own thoughts so quickly should serve as a warning

if a multiverse is to be considered at all the concept needs to be used in as limited a way as possible with as few assumptions as possible

hence to me the attraction of the Tegmark multiverse, if any

the simplest possible hypothesis with the largest possible ensemble

literally every conceivable universe with systemic behavior included by definition




Best to keep a theory made of feelings within the realm of feelings

an intellectual shrug for the question of first origins

why do we exist

because everything exists

why not


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in reply to @mcc's post:

the thing that kills me about every single implementation of multiversal theory is that they all claim the "universes" are parallel, as in never the twain shall meet. it seems to me that the data that initially spawned the whole multiversal theory doesn't inherently suggest that there would be such clean lines between "universes." what if the multiverse is actually a collection of perpendicular universes that constantly feed into and out of one another? i have a novel model of time complete with a falsifiable hypothesis. i'm just reticent to actually publish it.

Hm, so I'm not sure what kind of response you were hoping for but what you are saying does not seem sound to me. There is no data I am aware of actively supporting any multiverse hypothesis. The thing about "never the twain shall meet" does not seem like an accurate summary of the various serious multiverse hypotheses (which vary from each other dramatically): The universes in the bubble universe hypothesis are not "parallel", they're just physically very far apart; in M-theory, string theorists regularly model collisions between branes (universes); I'm very uncertain about this next thing I'm about to say but I think in the Everett-Wheeler "many worlds" quantum interpretation the individual "worlds" do interfere to some degree because they're just different state vectors in the universal wavefunction and quantum state vectors do interfere with each other. A multiverse theory where otherwise separate physical realities interact would not be very useful outside of a science fiction novel because then you'd have to explain why those interactions are not observed in practice.

i wasn't expecting any kind of a response. most people seem to not know how to respond to me and hence typically do not. the data is everything that is considered to be quantum mechanics. i wouldn't expect you to be able to recreate my model from the above paragraph so i'm not surprised you would say it doesn't appear to be sound. my argument is that everything in quantum mechanics is the observation of those interactions. it specifically provides an explanation for what is happening with quantum entanglement, which as far as i know, no one has ever postulated an explanation for.