Micolithe
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Agender Enby, Trans, Gay, AND the bearer of the gamer's curse. Not a man, not a woman, but instead I am puppy.
I got a fat ass and big ears.

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Yes I did the cooking mama Let's Play way back when. I post alot about Tech (mostly how it sucks) and Cooking and Music and Television Shows and the occasional Let's Play video
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We all do what we can โ™ซ

So we can do just one more thing โ™ซ

We can all be free โ™ซ

Maybe not in words โ™ซ

Maybe not with a look โ™ซ

But with your mind โ™ซ


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jkap
@jkap

by all means please do! i say this without a shred of malice or irony, if you think you can do better than us then go do it! seriously! i want to see your attempt! maybe you'll do better, maybe you won't, but no matter what you will have tried, and you will have learned what about your approach worked and what didn't.

but until you try, you come off like the proverbial person looking at a rothko painting and saying "i could paint that." maybe you could, but you didn't. go give it a shot and find out


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I think these folks really do not appreciate what an incredible achievement cohost has been. For the field the burn rate was comically low, the conversion rate was absurdly high, and even more so considering that the premium tier was mostly sold on goodwill. It looked to me like you came within a factor of 2 or 3 of being sustainable on that. And you ran it successfully for 2.5 years!

When you consider that VCs expect 9 out of 10 of their investments to piss away tens of millions of dollars and then fail, and the last 1 in 10 will piss away tens to hundreds of millions of dollars to hockeystick their userbase and then attempt, and often fail, to turn a profit through pure applied evil, well, it's frustrating to watch people underestimating you and what you've built.

for real though i dont think most people realize that even twitter has only been profitable for exactly two years. for most of its existence it's been operating at a massive loss, burning hundreds of millions of dollars in VC money every single year - over a billion loss in 2020

the big sites don't have some magic bullet that makes them sustainable, they just get infinite capitalism moneys handed to them on a silver platter

one thought i have been having about yall (staff) has been like hell yeah they really did this thing, thoughts and ideas are ephemeral, materializing an endeavor like cohost takes so much courage and strength to actually do and yall did it

I absolutely love this take. Love what you folks built here. Love that you tried. Love that your message at the end is this gracious and encouraging.

Hope yโ€™all land on your feet and find something rewarding.

I am so angry at all the people who from the jump seemed to be cheering for this to fail, because I cannot fathom what pleasure they could derive from this, and suspect the answer is just โ€œnone, they just resent the idea that nice things might be possible.โ€

The expression "Some people want to watch the world burn" comes to mind, but I don't think it's enough.

Some people don't get (in both meanings of the word; possessive and understanding) nice things. So they want other people's nice things to burn, no matter how many people it hurts on the way.

cohost drew a lot of people who miss the old internet, and they were mad that cohost is not the old internet. It felt like false advertising--not from cohost itself, mind you, but from all the users gushing about how it felt like going back.

That's the thing. You can't go back. Both the internet and the users have changed. There's nothing to go back to.

What cohost did do was a hard reset--a split from a moment in the past where things took a turn for the worse, materializing the what could have been into the what is. A lot of us really fell in love with that premise, and cohost really did give us a vision of an internet that could be better, could be different. But that could never satisfy the people who just wanted a return to how things were.

That seems to be a common pattern on social media anywhere--people getting mad at a thing as a proxy for being mad at their friends for selling it as something it isn't.

I dunno, maybe for some, but there were definitely others who just seemed mad it didn't fit whatever arbitrary ideological purity it didn't meet, or for not having a billion dollars in funding, or just not being whatever other site they were caping for (or in some cases, ran themselves; fuck you Dreamwidth forever).

But also a lot of people just seemed like they were desperate to find any excuse not to like it, or else had settled on a definition of "better" that was impossible for four queers in a shed to ever accomplish.

I wrote for a zine that started on this very website, and within the space of a month the editor had gone from "this place is great, isn't it wonderful to collab with fellow queers again" to "the devs are evil and hate disabled people because they won't immediately implement this extremely specific feature I don't even personally need" and leaving in a huff. Issue 2 never came out.

To some extent I think it's just the kind of trauma response that affects everything queers try to do for themselves. We've all been damaged by wider society, and any perceived slight within a queer space just immediately escalates into being equal to whatever sins the straights have committed against them. All proportion disappears. Suddenly one annoying guy in the comments is proof the entire site is fascist, and then they go running back to the site run by an apartheid emerald billionaire. Better the devil you think you know, than the "betrayal" of someone you desperately wanted to pedestal ...

The important thing about Cohost is that it existed, and it worked, even if it was brief (though I'd argue 2.5 years is impressive given the size of your team). It's proof that such a thriving grassroots community platform is possible.

It's easy to shit on things and complain they're not good enough, but it takes courage to actually make something happen.

I don't remember if it was you or someone else but there was a post ages ago akin to

"Something you don't like about Cohost? Go make your own site! No seriously, the only thing better than a queer owned co-op social media website is two of them. More of them is a good thing! You should go make one!"

Alas it's easier to stay on the one site and Be A Hater instead, I suppose. Usually without the self awareness of how it looks to do it on the site itself! At least I know I'm being a doofus when I'm say, bitching about discord on discord itself.

nobody was asking yall to turn a profit except yourselves.
you could've left the lights on and moved on to new work instead of burning down the apartment building because being asked to do maintenance hurt your feelings.
this is a seriously embarrassing look right at the end of all of this. but it's also exactly what i expected.
i remember when i respected the people who worked here. however, you have put in phenomenal amounts of time and effort to make sure that that will never be the case again.
deuces.

I hoped that Cohost would make enough profit to be able to hire more staff members, and I think thatโ€™s true of most users and almost all paying customers. If I may be so bold as to ask: why were you not hoping theyโ€™d be profitable?