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janederscore
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look at this point idk what's left to even say. yeah dropping kys One, Singular Time in response to someone prodding at you is pretty harsh. sorry. maybe don't do the prodding to begin with, especially over subject matter that just fucked up people's lives pretty significantly, and maybe also don't dedicate 10 full days of your life doing everything in your power to kick up a storm over it because you want to Hold Us Accountable.

you don't get to act like the world is out to get you when you literally, factually contributed to building an entire conspiracy theory about how avery and the rest of us are trying to destroy your website. you don't get to act like you're a victim of Our lateral transmisogyny when you actively accuse us of being "baddels" for using basic transfeminist theory to describe the things that've happened to us.

anybody who's still convinced we're the bad guys in this situation is frankly not someone i think i could ever reasonably feel safe around.


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deadass if anything their petty bullshit did more harm than anything. hell i sub'd to ch+... until this shit. i eant a goddamn refund, handful of devs or not my faith is as eroded as it is in tumblr from staff's responses.

so instead of understanding trans women being victims of high online abuse and harassment you focus on them lashing out and being angry about said harassment? I get mistaken for a trans woman a lot by terfs and other transphobes and I don't get near as prodding as they get by far but I can at least understand why they are angry. Instead of just saying "everyone gets harassed on the internet!" you need to understand that some have it a lot worse then others.

yeah some do shit ive had my fair amount of harassment as a trans person that has almost affected my in person life. ive experienced in person harassment as well for my transness but i didnt become a hateful person because of it. at a certain point you have too learn to ignore shit and be kind. its hard and unfair and it sucks but theres fuck all you can do. people hate things that are different and too cishets were all disgusting.

like if I was getting tons of anons and harrasment calling me a "dick haver moid" and shit like I have sparsely gotten I would be lashing out too. Heck I've told pro-"life" people to get late term aborted after them telling me, someone that could die without one, that it should be illegal.

I mean, personally, as a trans woman, I think acting like you deserve to tell people to kill themselves is rather self-absorbed at best. And before I get replied to, I also think that said person being 'rude'—to put it mildly—does not justify the harassment campaigns that preceded and proceeded. Transmygiony is shit, and it certainly happened a lot before and after; however, I don't believe that the victims now also get to be shit in return. To reiterate and make myself clear, I certainly think harassment campaigns, stalking, and transmygyny are the greater of the evils, but this is also not a situation where one 'side' is perfect and the other are evil. Claiming that everyone you disagree with are awful people, as some here have, is not particularly helpful.

ohhhhh my goddddd yeah sure great we're all just self-absorbed yeah that's the takeaway awesome. neither i nor anyone else has said we "deserve" to say anything, the entire point this whole time has been one of extremely basic power dynamics.

it is Absurd to walk up to a woman who just had her entire life upended, question the legitimacy of the abuse she had to put up with, tell her she sucks to her face for talking about it whatsoever, Then launch into a sitewide witch hunt when she says One bad word, One time.

its literally going to turn me into the fucking joker!!! this isn't collegiate material, "bait the girl into lashing out then unperson her" is like, page one of the transmisogyny handbook. what is wrong with you people

To reiterate, I think it is awful that you have been witch-hunted, and I do believe you have. And I also think you should not have been unpersoned; I think it is awful and reprehensible that you have. Saying that however does not mean you are incapable of doing any wrong. And to reiterate, once more, I do not think you doing wrong justifies another witchhunt I agree that it is absurd because after all you are a person and are deserving of respect and fair treatment for that alone.

what do you want from us here. honestly. what's your point.

you want to Hold Us Accountable? is it your responsibility to make absolutely sure that a pair of women who've spent nearly two weeks being fucking terrorized and talked down to by dozens and dozens of people are brought to justice? what does that look like?

you want some sort of big public apology? should we supplicate ourselves upon the eggbug alter for everyone's enjoyment?

"hi everyone. jane underscore here. i'm terribly sorry for inconveniencing your dashboard experience by being one of the subjects of an insane conspiracy theory and 10 day long harassment campaign. this is, of course, my fault for allowing myself to be antagonized into saying A Bad Word, and in saying it i obviously had all the malice and intent to for real suicide bait people, because suicide baiting is not a directed action but rather the deployment of specific phrases. i am just as bad as everyone else, and perhaps even worse, for not being victimized in the proper, peer-approved manner. may god forgive me"

hahahahah no no I don't want to hold you accountable at all and in fact I hope that the harassment against you stops and that you live a contented and happy life. And I did explicitly say that I think the harrassers are far more egregious in my first comment. Just that I think it was somewhat regrettable to tell people to kill themselves in the first place, and sure I understand why, I just don't think it was the right thing to do. Does it make you a bad person? No I don't think so at all and I apologise for saying you were self-absorbed this discussion has changed my mind on that. I just think it wasn't the best thing to say and I wanted to say that, while still articulating that the people harassing you should stop immidietly and probably should make a public apology.

I am impressed how much goodwill chost has burnt in a week and change. It's like they saw new tumblr completely Detonate itself and took it as a challenge

I wish I had more to say other than I'm sorry you and Rita have been subjected to this, but I really don't know what else there is to say. Fucking shameful behavior from cohost all around