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left: art by gutterbunny. right: AI art.

I have a question for artists, and I'd like some artists here on Cohost to weigh in on this. I think we can all agree that using AI art is pretty fuckin bad considering the models almost unilaterally use artwork without permission from the artist, utilizing an "opt out" method rather than an "opt in" method. Overall, pretty unethical and it sucks and it should stop doing that! Agree on all of that.

However, i'm not an artist; i'm a commissioner. I'm somebody who pays artists to draw my character in beautiful detail in their own styles, with their own artistic flairs displayed proudly in each piece I pay for. However, fursona design is exceedingly difficult. If I wanted to create a new fursona, I'd either have to use an entire short story's worth of words to describe what I'd like my new fursona to look like, or very crudely draw it and add about a paragraph to describe details i couldn't render properly.

My friend was futzing around with Microsoft's Bing AI as she often does just to see what it makes, and she got curious. She decided to use prompts that vaguely described my own fursona, and it spat out a design that I actually really vibe with. It's heavier on the punk look, with lime green hair rather than emerald green, a tattoo on its shoulder exactly where I have a tattoo (despite that not being in the prompt), and a bushy fox tail. Her wrists also fade to the same green as her hair, which kinda gives me an "unripened banana" vibe that I also like. The colour pallette is cool, the attire is cool, the neck fluff is really Sonic-esque which I adore, and her face is proportionally identical to my fursona's.

So, my question: how do artists on Cohost feel about commissioners who use AI art to design new fursonas or redesign current ones? Is this still considered unethical because it uses AI at all, is it a grey area because the AI art is being used to inspire real artwork, or is it ethical because the artwork actually being paid for and created is from an actual artist? I'm genuinely curious about artist's takes on this, because I wanna make sure I'm not doing anything unethical by way of using a machine learning algorithm to redesign or create fursonas and OC's.

I'm personally of the opinion that it's better to avoid using it altogether, but I'm not an artist, so I'd like to hear what other artists think! Please be kind to each other when replying, this is a very sensitive topic and given that I'm not an artist, I wanted to field this question to the actual professionals who have a much more valuable opinion on this topic than I do. <3

EDIT: To be clear, my application for machine learning artwork would be as reference to help an artist create a new reference sheet for the sona/OC. The ML artwork would NOT be used as general reference for artists, but for one artist to reference while creating a reference sheet that would then be used as a reference in the future.


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in reply to @hootOS's post:

I have to add this as just a general rule, all image generators of this type are inevitably going to hold colonial, imperial, racist and plenty of other problematic biases in their system. Because they're built on systems that have those biases fundamentally ingrained in them. Even if you rarely see them at this point, they can very easily slip into what the model produces. The best example of this I still see a lot of people not notice is clear cultural appropriation and miss use. Another more public problem is white washing/pale preference. I'd hope this starts to show why this is dangerous.

I'm not a furry artist, I don't feel I can weigh in on everything. I do know how these generators are programmed and how dangerous they can get when left unchecked. (looking at the times chat gtp has claimed hitler was correct or took a centrist view on racism/hate crimes etc) to go into anything related to this stuff without activity watching out for those things slipping into what you might then share, bad.

Also I'm still shocked about how rarely people bring up this very real problem with generative models. An entire internal industry (and very exploitive one at that) is manually going through model bases to block unwanted materials. And it's impossible to do that's for everything. Humans are not immune to subconsciously being influenced by subtle stereotypes and biases, you have to constantly check yourself for that

I greatly dislike the use of machine generation in any form, and would take any other reference that would be provided before a machine-generated image. that said, I'm not sure if it's a reason to refuse business, just tell them to provide other references instead if possible.

Agreeing w/ the current concensus here, I'll add my 2 cents:

Customs are a super common type of commission in the OC/Furry world. Find an artist with custom comms open. Give them the details, a moodboard, even a link to a pinterest board of ideas + vibes- and if you are a good client and they are a good artist/business, you will have a fully customized oc of your dreams in a full ref sheet.

On a budget? On-Base customs are a thing too. Working with a real artist to get your character brought to life might even give you baller ideas you'd never even dreamed of without 1 on 1 collaboration ^^

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